Pauline's latest stupid pronouncements

[brian ross]

93 percent of people in a poll on A Current Affair with 35,000 responses voted to abandon Multiculturalism .....

We were never asked if we wanted it.
We were never allowed to vote on it.
The Government continually tweaks it but never gets it right.
It is a failed social policy where ever it is implemented.

Good.

Except there is no link to the claimed Survey - never has been in fact - and so he cannot prove it actually occurred. He never accepts that such phone-in surveys were and still are apt to be fooled by multiple phone-ups from a single number.

The Survey here from the Scanlon Foundation - has 85% of Australians support Multiculturalism - https://www.monash.edu/__data/assets/pd ... t-2017.pdf. He hates such a viewpoint for some reason. To him, Multiculturalism must be, is a complete and total failure 'cause he appears to hate the idea that migrant citizens have the same rights as natural born citizens. Tut, tut.

In reality, any Government policy to be measured a success must be successful for the overwhelming majority of citizens, most of the time and Multiculturalism in Australia answers that criteria.

[BigP]

''Multiculturalism''

A bit like communism , a failed experiment

[Neferti]

Al Grassby decided that Multiculturalism was a great idea.

Known also for his colourful "ties". Plus Donald MacKay, of course.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-o ... 4ad6183975

[Black Orchid]

93 percent of people in a poll on A Current Affair with 35,000 responses voted to abandon Multiculturalism .....

We were never asked if we wanted it.
We were never allowed to vote on it.
The Government continually tweaks it but never gets it right.
It is a failed social policy where ever it is implemented.

Good.

Except there is no link to the claimed Survey - never has been in fact - and so he cannot prove it actually occurred. He never accepts that such phone-in surveys were and still are apt to be fooled by multiple phone-ups from a single number.

The Survey here from the Scanlon Foundation - has 85% of Australians support Multiculturalism - https://www.monash.edu/__data/assets/pd ... t-2017.pdf. He hates such a viewpoint for some reason. To him, Multiculturalism must be, is a complete and total failure 'cause he appears to hate the idea that migrant citizens have the same rights as natural born citizens. Tut, tut.

In reality, any Government policy to be measured a success must be successful for the overwhelming majority of citizens, most of the time and Multiculturalism in Australia answers that criteria.

From the Scanlon Survey and I believe we have flogged this horse before ...

There is, however, the possibility to develop a second interpretation of the survey and demographic data presented in this report. This second perspective indicatesthat the Australia of 2017 isless resilient than the Australia of ten years earlier, less able to deal with economic and other crises that may eventuate in coming years.

First, there is an increasing geographical concentration of the overseas‐born populations, as indicated by the census analysis reported here. This increased concentration, particularly in Sydney and Melbourne, questions whether past patterns of integration are continuing, or whether new norms are being established whose consequences need to be better understood.

Second, the relatively high level of negative feeling towards Muslims is a factor that enters into evaluation of future risk. Questions in the Life in Australia survey conducted for the Scanlon Foundation indicate that 41% of respondents are negative towards Muslims, compared to 6% towards Buddhists. Focus group discussions undertaken for the Scanlon Foundation’s Australia@2015, and other projects, indicates that this negativity is in part fed by the reality – and the heightened perception – of radical rejectionism of Australia’s secular democratic values and institutions within segments of the Muslim population, which in 2016 was the largest of the non‐Christian faith groups.

Third, a closer examination of the ten years of Scanlon Foundation surveys indicate a potential weakness of interpretation based on aggregated data, in which the two levels of positive (‘strongly agree’ and ‘disagree’) or negative (‘strongly disagree’ and ‘disagree’) response are treated as one. The risk is that deteriorating results at the ‘strongly’ held level may be masked by such
aggregation.

Then we have this ...

. In addition to English, respondents had the option of completing the survey in one of the six most commonly spoken
community languages: Vietnamese, Chinese (Cantonese and Mandarin), Italian, Greek and Arabic.

This is like someone walking down the main street of Auburn/Lidcombe or Bankstown and asking people "Should we have more mosques and/or Islamic prayer halls in Sydney?" (Of which we have around 100 already) and then flapping around and saying oh guess what? "98% of Australian respondents want more mosques in Sydney!"

Rule 1 - of any survey on immigration! The respondents should at LEAST speak the language of the country that is hosting them.

Rule 2 - Respondents should NOT be paid to do said survey.

Rule 3 - All respondents should be at least 3 generations Australian (or whichever host country) as they are the ones most affected.

The results are skewed as the demographic was skewed. What do you think someone who can't even speak English will say in a survey on immigration? DUHH!!

No soup for you or Scanlon.

[brian ross]

Pauline Hanson Takes Time Out Of Busy Day To Say She’d Kick A Nine-Year-Old. Obviously she still needs the concept of "freedom" explained to her.

[brian ross]

Rule 1 - of any survey on immigration! The respondents should at LEAST speak the language of the country that is hosting them.

Rule 2 - Respondents should NOT be paid to do said survey.

Rule 3 - All respondents should be at least 3 generations Australian (or whichever host country) as they are the ones most affected.

The results are skewed as the demographic was skewed. What do you think someone who can't even speak English will say in a survey on immigration? DUHH!!

No soup for you or Scanlon.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. You are welcome to conduct a survey to the rules that you have outlined, BO. No one is stopping you from doing so, except yourself.

A person may be able to communicate in the linga franca of the nation they reside in but they might not be able to respond or understand sufficiently to take part in a survey which has complex issues at it's heart. Australia's official language is English but not everyone speaks it as well as you or I. Accommodation should be made for such people, BO. It is impolite not to.

The Demographic was not "skewed". The demographic was explained fully - far more fully than one poster has ever bothered to explained the demographic from his phone-in survey. I wonder why? Perhaps his survey never asked questions about the demographic that they were surveying? They just accepted a phone call, from any phone, no matter how often it rang the special numbers they had set up.

As for the number of generations that a respondent must have to be qualified to answer a survey on how the society they live in should be organised or sponsored you are effectively saying that they are a second-class citizen as are your children and perhaps even your grand-children before we will give weight to your answers. Hardly fair. Particularly when you consider that half the country's population has at least one parent born overseas. We are a nation of migrants. I know it's hard for some Xenophobic Australians to accept but the person who steps off the boarding ladder at the airport/the gangplank at the port and becomes an Australian citizen enjoys exactly the same rights as you do, the moment they swear allegiance to the Queen of Australia and the Australian nation. Their opinion matters just as much as does yours. I'd recommend that you accept that. You'll find it much easier to get along with your fellow Australians in the long run. Tut, tut.

So, when will you announce your survey's results?

[Black Orchid]

Tut tut to you Brian, if you wish to become a citizen of any country you elect, or are REQUIRED, to learn the language. Still no soup for you.

My son's girlfriend is here on a student visa from Brazil and she was forced to pay $5,000 per month for 3 months (one class per week) in English ... of which she already speaks quite adequately ... yet we hand out citizenship papers like lollies without caring if they speak English or not. That is what is not fair.

[brian ross]

Tut tut to you Brian, if you wish to become a citizen of any country you elect, or are REQUIRED, to learn the language. Still no soup for you.

My son's girlfriend is here on a student visa from Brazil and she was forced to pay $5,000 per month for 3 months (one class per week) in English ... of which she already speaks quite adequately ... yet we hand out citizenship papers like lollies without caring if they speak English or not. That is what is not fair.

Better to have them inside the tent pissing out than outside, pissing in, BO.

We have tightened the language rules quite appreciably over the last couple of years because of whinges like yours. Before the tightening, immigrants got by with an adequate grasp of English - sufficient to make themselves understood when they went shopping down at the markets. You appear to think they should be speaking University Level English. Unfortunately, not many real Australians are that well educated. Just keep showing your Xenophobia. It is far more convincing of my side of the argument than it is of yours.

[Black Orchid]

Brian if you are going to persist with the name calling at least get it right. I am not, nor have I ever been, xenophobic and suggesting that citizens speak the host country's language especially when filling out a survey on immigration is common sense and not xenophobic. No-one cares if they speak in broken English but the fact remains they NEED to speak, read and understand English and be able to read road signs etc. It's also a matter of safety.

Your own argument has absolutely no substance and reflects ignorance. Just look across the forums at the diversity of people, religions, political persuasions etc. How many agree with you? Hmmm?

[brian ross]

Brian if you are going to persist with the name calling at least get it right. I am not, nor have I ever been, xenophobic and suggesting that citizens speak the host country's language especially when filling out a survey on immigration is common sense and not xenophobic. No-one cares if they speak in broken English but the fact remains they NEED to speak, read and understand English and be able to read road signs etc. It's also a matter of safety.

Your own argument has absolutely no substance and reflects ignorance. Just look across the forums at the diversity of people, religions, political persuasions etc. How many agree with you? Hmmm?

Xenophobia is a fear of the other, the alien, the foreign, BO. It is exactly what you are displaying. As I have pointed out, people learn languages to differing abilities and styles. Most migrants understand common English - they have to, in order to survive, to shop, to talk to people about their needs and so on. However, a survey can be quite technical in what it wants to find out and they may not have the full understanding. Rather as medical needs which are technical are beyond them. The point is, they can speak English sufficiently to get by. To deny them the ability to respond to a survey simply because they do not display the language skills you have decided are appropriate is a bit unfair IMO and typical of someone who dismisses their fellow citizens on the basis of their language skills.