Terrorism

[brian ross]

You may believe that, as a believer. However, I am not a believer, either in Christianity or George W. Bush. He and you have made a foolish statement. I have replied to it, in the best way I know of, "a pox on both your houses," a quote from the Bard's Romeo and Juliet (Act III, Sc. 1).

I haven't been to a church in at least 30 years.
I'm not a religious type although I understand those who are.

Tell why none of our Prime Ministers has spoken against the Bush doctrine?

Perhaps they prefer to have their hands out, to be filled with lucre rather than be ignored? Who knows? Bush was angry. America was angry. Better to let their anger play itself out, as it largely has.

[Bobby]

Perhaps they prefer to have their hands out, to be filled with lucre rather than be ignored?
Who knows? Bush was angry. America was angry.
Better to let their anger play itself out, as it largely has.

The anger has played out -
millions of people have died.
Afghanistan to start off with - then
Iraq somehow got caught up in it and then Syria etc.

In fact Bush would have been better off to let that evil Saddam run Iraq
because at least he had a lid on all the terrorists.

In any case our politicians have been right behind America -
Howard even invoked the ANZUS treaty.

[brian ross]

Howard even invoked the ANZUS treaty.

Yeah, funny that. I'm still searching in the A**US Treaty for a mention of where an attack on New York, which is on the East Coast of the USA has anything to do with the Pacific Ocean, Bobby. You got any clues to how the geography works on that treaty? Mmmm?

[Bobby]

Howard even invoked the ANZUS treaty.

Yeah, funny that. I'm still searching in the A**US Treaty for a mention of where an attack on New York, which is on the East Coast of the USA has anything to do with the Pacific Ocean, Bobby. You got any clues to how the geography works on that treaty? Mmmm?

Doesn't it say that if any party is attacked the others will come to their aid?

[brian ross]

Howard even invoked the ANZUS treaty.

Yeah, funny that. I'm still searching in the A**US Treaty for a mention of where an attack on New York, which is on the East Coast of the USA has anything to do with the Pacific Ocean, Bobby. You got any clues to how the geography works on that treaty? Mmmm?

Doesn't it say that if any party is attacked the others will come to their aid?

Nope. Doesn't say that at all. Funny that. What it does say is that if one of the party's forces in the Pacific Ocean area are attacked or threatened, the parties will consult over the matter. Funny how it is limited to the Pacific Ocean and that we will only "consult" over the issue. Howard appears to have decided that it meant the Atlantic Ocean and that if one party is attacked, all parties are therefore attacked. Funny how the Kiwis stuck to the letter of the Treaty (even after being expelled), hey?

[Bobby]

Howard even invoked the ANZUS treaty.

Yeah, funny that. I'm still searching in the A**US Treaty for a mention of where an attack on New York, which is on the East Coast of the USA has anything to do with the Pacific Ocean, Bobby. You got any clues to how the geography works on that treaty? Mmmm?

Doesn't it say that if any party is attacked the others will come to their aid?

Nope. Doesn't say that at all. Funny that. What it does say is that if one of the party's forces in the Pacific Ocean area are attacked or threatened, the parties will consult over the matter. Funny how it is limited to the Pacific Ocean and that we will only "consult" over the issue. Howard appears to have decided that it meant the Atlantic Ocean and that if one party is attacked, all parties are therefore attacked. Funny how the Kiwis stuck to the letter of the Treaty (even after being expelled), hey?

If the All Blacks were in charge they wouldn't chicken out.

[brian ross]

Howard even invoked the ANZUS treaty.

Yeah, funny that. I'm still searching in the A**US Treaty for a mention of where an attack on New York, which is on the East Coast of the USA has anything to do with the Pacific Ocean, Bobby. You got any clues to how the geography works on that treaty? Mmmm?

Doesn't it say that if any party is attacked the others will come to their aid?

Nope. Doesn't say that at all. Funny that. What it does say is that if one of the party's forces in the Pacific Ocean area are attacked or threatened, the parties will consult over the matter. Funny how it is limited to the Pacific Ocean and that we will only "consult" over the issue. Howard appears to have decided that it meant the Atlantic Ocean and that if one party is attacked, all parties are therefore attacked. Funny how the Kiwis stuck to the letter of the Treaty (even after being expelled), hey?

If the All Blacks were in charge they wouldn't chicken out.

Thankfully Rugby teams don't run countries, Bobby. Any further words of wisdom? Do you wonder why you're considered a fool by many people online?

[Bobby]

Thankfully Rugby teams don't run countries, Bobby.
Any further words of wisdom? Do you wonder why you're considered a fool by many people online?

Brian - you're the silly billy - not me.
Yes it mentions the Pacific buy it says more -

http://australianpolitics.com/1951/09/0 ... -text.html


ANZUS Treaty

Article II

In order more effectively to achieve the objective of this Treaty the Parties separately and jointly by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.

[brian ross]

Oh, it says a lot more. Most of it's waffle. When the US Secretary of State, Dean Acheson came to Canberra to negotiate the treaty, they suggested there wasn't much in the way of real negotiation. The US Government had, had it's fingers burnt over the NATO treaty where an attack on one signatory was seen as an attack on all signatories, so when it came to talking about the A**US treaty, the US Government told Canberra and Wellington what was what. It wanted to buy off Australian and New Zealand acquiescence to a "soft" treaty with Japan and still give them something to help them in the defence needs. So we ended up with the A**US Treaty, which was worth nothing to the US and a lot to the Pacific dominions. The Australian Government has made it the cornerstone of it's defence relationship with Washington while Washington has never had to fulfil it's commitments under the treaty.

The treaty only talks about the Pacific region specifically. Howard made New York at Pacific city it seems. Tut, tut. So we went to war in Afghanistan. We have been to war because the US asked us to go to war in Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq I, Afghanistan and Iraq II. The US has never gone to war or supported us when we have been in a war ourselves. It reneged over West New Guinea (1960), it reneged over Borneo (1965), it reneged over East Timor I (1975), it reneged over East Timor II (1999). My question has always been, when do we see our insurance premium, paid in the blood of our youth, given back to us by Washington? Mmmmm?

[IQS.RLOW]

If only Brian was in charge of treaties and immigration, he could turn us into a third world shithole in record time.

The only silver lining would be he would have to give up being an insipid quisling.