Gun control laws

[Black Orchid]

Never a day goes by without some kind of shooting in Aus. Usually Sydney or somewhere in QLD. We keep wrongly patting ourselves on the back whilst the criminals run rampant with their numerous fire arms.

WHENEVER there is a mass shooting in America, the Australian gun control laws are held up as an example of a 'successful' model, based on the fact there have not been any massacres in Australia since their implementation.

There is also the usual kneejerk reaction here with suggestions of the need to tighten Australian laws.

The fact is that Australian gun control laws are a joke.

Fact 1: Australia does not have a gun culture as in the US. The only private firearms owners are 'recreational' shooters and on rural properties to protect stock from feral pests.

Fact 2: Australia does not have a history of gun massacres - Port Arthur was a 'one off' - so the gun laws implemented in response to that tragic event cannot be credited with prevention of any mass shootings since.

Fact 3: The gun control laws apply only to law-abiding owners who are required to register firearms and abide by regulations that make ownership more expensive.

Fact 4: Criminals and terrorists are exempt from these laws and can easily acquire any firearms of their choice via the internet, so there are now more gun-related crimes than before the controls.

Fact 5: Proposed solutions to gun-related crimes always involve tightening controls on law-abiding owners of registered firearms, which do not affect criminals and terrorists.

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[cods]

https://www.9news.com.au/2018/09/02/05/ ... ison-guard

A man considered to be a “significant threat” to the public will face multiple charges after police uncovered a weapons stash at his home in Sydney’s west last week.

Former prison guard Michael Kay, 64, was arrested following the discovery on Tuesday.

Acting on "a red flag warning" from the Australian Border Force, police executed a warrant on his Richmond home about 9am.

The male was taking the garbage out and during his arrest, they located five edge-weapons on his person," State Crime Commander Acting Assistant Commissioner Stuart Smith said today.

"Police were certainly not prepared for what followed."

During the search, officers found five rifles and an assortment of parts and accessories, in addition to 2000 rounds of ammunition.

The search also turned up three crossbows, about 100 arrows and more than a 100 knives, swords and tomahawks.


Police also located five pistols and handguns on the property during a visit the following day.

Among the weapons stockpiled were armoured helmets, ballistic vests and handcuffs.
Kay was also in possession of sniper training manuals and shirts carrying “doomsday” patches.

"What was deeply concerning to police during the search is that we recovered almost 2000 rounds of ammunition," Det. Supt Smith said.

"During the search warrant, there was quite a volume of literature located which included terrorism-response information, response to disasters, the history of human kind and a number of books by famous snipers. They contain particular weapons we found during the search."

"What we found was a deeply troubled individual with a history of tactical weapons training. He was dismissed from corrective services.

"This person posed as a significant risk to the community.

"We have no direct information on what this individual intended to do with what we found. He is a deeply disturbed individual.

"The threat was real, significant and imminent."

this is one person... with mental issues I would presume!!not a terrorist or a member of a gang.... yet he could accumulate all this..

if he can do it why not others...maybe they can buy it all at COSCO who knows..

[brian ross]

Howard's Universal Firearms Legislation effort has reduced the likelihood of a mass firearms massacre considerably in Australia. We have not seen anything like the numbers killed at Port Arthur since the Monash Massacre/Osmington shooting.

[Black Orchid]

We aren't a nation known for mass shootings unless you are one of those who include a parent killing his wife and kids like Osmington.

The Osmington shooting falls into the domestic violence category as opposed to mass killings. He killed his family then turned the gun on himself.

Bryant is our only one and thus Howard's gun control laws did SFA except hand the guns to the criminals who now use them nightly around Sydney.

[brian ross]

We aren't a nation known for mass shootings unless you are one of those who include a parent killing his wife and kids like Osmington.

The Osmington shooting falls into the domestic violence category as opposed to mass killings. He killed his family then turned the gun on himself.

Bryant is our only one and thus Howard's gun control laws did SFA except hand the guns to the criminals who now use them nightly around Sydney.

A mass shooting is usually defined as being the deliberate murder of more than four people in one place, at the one time, BO.

We have had the following mass shootings since 1970:

Milperra massacre, 1984
Queen Street massacre, 1987
Hoddle Street massacre. 1987
Strathfield massacre, 1991
Port Arthur massacre, 1996
Monash University shooting, 2002
Osmington shooting, 2018

[Black Orchid]

I think you will find that mass shootings of family members are defined as 'domestic violence' which is exactly what they are.

[brian ross]

I think you will find that mass shootings of family members are defined as 'domestic violence' which is exactly what they are.

I think you'll find they are both, BO. Do you have a problem with dual classifications?

[Black Orchid]

I think you will find that mass shootings of family members are defined as 'domestic violence' which is exactly what they are.

I think you'll find they are both, BO. Do you have a problem with dual classifications?

As far as I know they are not dual classifications and the implication that a domestic violence situation is the same as a mass shooting by a lunatic cutting down strangers for comparative purposes well, yes, I do have a problem with that as it skews statistics and is exactly why the former is classified as domestic violence and not mass shootings.

[boxy]

Fact 4 is where it all goes pear shaped for you. It is much harder to access illegal guns if laws are in place to track legally obtained guns, and if legitimate gun owners are required to secure them.

[Outlaw Yogi]

Fact 4 is where it all goes pear shaped for you. It is much harder to access illegal guns if laws are in place to track legally obtained guns, and if legitimate gun owners are required to secure them.

Well a Vietnam Vet on Prozac for PTSD up the road from my place uses his shooter's licence to obtain ammo for crims (I know he supplies junkies and he's bragged about supplying armed robbers in Sydney).
In the army once someone goes on anti-depressant medication they are no longer allowed to carry a weapon, yet Qld Police Service allow a stolen firearms fense to have a shooters licence, which is used for easing/enhancing his criminal activity/ies.

It's such common knowledge that Custard Guts sell unregistered and/or stolen firearms that I've had people who've never met him ask me to acquire guns off him for them. So if pretty much everyone knows about it, the cops do too. Yet they won't touch him, and the only reason I can think of as to why the cops turn a blind eye is because they get guns off him too. My guess is he can operate so long as they (cops) get the good ones [semi-autos ect].