Albanese - Rocks vs Guns

[Rorschach]

Someone should read David vs Goliath to Albanese then ask him if he's finally worked out that rocks fired from slings can kill. We have a situation where lunatics seek to poke lions and see what the result will be. Israel is paranoid, that is understandable considering where they are and what goes on in their surrounding nations.

Hamas are liars and do not care how many so-called Palestinians die in their cause. If they manage to invade Israel, that is a win, if they can make Israel look bad then that is a win... Unfortunately, some extreme RW groups and LW Progressives are anti-semitic and therefore anti-Israel...

Any sensible person that knows what happened to the British Mandate of Palestine knows just how difficult the creation of a 2 state solution will be. Jordan already exists as does Israel... there is your simple 2 state solution. A Jewish Israel and a Muslim Jordan. Palestine and Palestinians do not exist. They never have.

[Rorschach]

Attacks from Gaza in 2018.

January

January 1

Around 9pm, two rockets were fired from Gaza at Israel. One fell short in Gaza, The other in an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council.

January 3

Between 2pm and 9pm, four rockets were fired from Gaza at Israel. They all both landed in open areas in the Eshkol Regional Council.

February

February 2

At exactly 12am, one rocket was fired from Gaza at Israel. The IDF did not confirm if it landed within Israeli territory.

Around 9pm, one rocket was fired from Gaza at Israel. It landed in an open area in the Eshkol Regional Council.

February 17

Around 9pm, Multiple rockets were fired from Gaza at Israel. One landed on a house in Sha'ar HaNegev Regional Council.

February 18

Around 10pm, one rocket was fired from Gaza at Israel. It landed in an open area in the Sha'ar HaNegev Regional Council.

References
"ROCKET FIRED FROM GAZA INTO SOUTHERN ISRAEL, NO CASUALTIES REPORTED". The Jerusalem Post. 1 January 2018. Retrieved 2018-01-01.
"FOUR ROCKET ATTACKS WITHIN HOURS RAISE RISK OF GAZA FLARE UP". The Jerusalem Post. 3 January 2018. Retrieved 2018-01-03.
"Rocket shot from Gaza at Israel, army investigating". Times of Israel. 2 February 2018. Retrieved 2018-02-01.
"ISRAEL STRIKES HAMAS TARGETS FOLLOWING ROCKET FIRE". The Jerusalem Post. 2 February 2018. Retrieved 2018-02-01.
"Rocket fired from Gaza hits house in southern Israel — report". Times of Israel. 2 February 2018. Retrieved 2018-02-01.
"Rocket Launched at Israel From Gaza Explodes in Open Territory". Haaretz. 18 February 2018. Retrieved 2018-02-18.

[Rorschach]

Analysis Forget Rockets and Tunnels – Hamas Found a More Effective Way to Agitate the Israeli Army

This was no quiet demonstration. Of the tens of thousands of Gazans who congregated in the area adjacent to the border with Israel on Friday afternoon, only a few thousand approached the fence itself. A few firebombs were thrown, a few roadside bombs were laid down, tires were burned and there were a few attempts to cut the fence and cross into Israel.

The army responded with an iron hand: Fifteen protesters died — most of them shot by army snipers, in many cases presumably after the protesters entered the 300-meter-wide security zone imposed by Israel on the Gazan side of the fence. Several hundred demonstrators were injured, some by gunfire and others by inhaling tear gas. The numbers point to exceptional and widespread use of live fire by the army. Friday was the worst day of violence in the Gaza Strip since the end of Operation Protective Edge in the summer of 2014.

What’s next? It seems that Hamas, whose activists were involved in organizing the demonstrations and urging participants to clash with the army near the fence, has found a more effective way of creating friction with the Israel Defense Forces than firing rockets and carrying out attacks through its tunnels. Rockets and terror attacks inside Israel carry the risk of leading to a war that Hamas presumably does not want. Also, the Iron Dome system provides reasonable protection against rockets and the high-tech barrier that Israel is building along the border is designed to detect and block the construction of tunnels from the Gaza Strip into Israeli territory. As of the time of publication, despite the large number of Palestinian casualties not a single rocket has been fired into Israel from the Strip.

Friday’s events returned Gaza somewhat to the attention of the international community, after months of indifference to its distress. United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres has called for an independent investigation into the clashes, but the international media care less about Gaza than the daily killings in Syria or the tensions between Washington and Moscow, and it’s doubtful that the Trump administration will voice even a hint of condemnation of Israel’s conduct.

It’s very unlikely that Gazans are impressed by the protest of Israel’s actions voiced by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. It was Abbas, more than anyone else, who generated the present crisis while pushing Hamas toward the fence with his decisions to limit economic aid to his rivals in the Strip. Abbas knew where the economic squeezing of Hamas would lead. Hamas has refused to disarm as part of the reconciliation process with the Palestinian Authority. Right after the failed assassination attempt against PA Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah as he was visiting Hamas officials in Gaza on March 13 it was clear that the reconciliation process was over, and that Hamas would look for new ways of escaping the predicament it was in.

The original plan of the protest’s organizers, who at first operated relatively independently of Hamas, was to sit in large tents erected near the fence for a month and a half, going on marches toward the fence every weekend. Now, in view of the numerous casualties, they will have to reconsider their plans, possibly focusing their efforts more toward Nakba Day in May. The question is whether there will be enough young people still willing to risk their lives in such marches after the army’s harsh opening fire policy became evident.

Judging by the extremist rhetoric employed by Hamas leaders on Friday, it seems that the events served their purpose. There is one achievement they can already chalk up to their credit, beyond the drawing of renewed world attention. Friday’s demonstrations pinned down large numbers of Israeli troops on Passover eve, focusing the attention of top brass from the chief of staff on down. If they continue, the redeployments could affect the army’s long-term schedules. In light of forecasts of relative calm in the territories, there had been plans to use this period for more extensive training.

The General Staff justified the rules of engagement on Friday despite the high number of Palestinian fatalities, noting that this was not an ordinary demonstration but a mass attempt to cross the border fence. Nevertheless, it seems that criticism of the army last week following several incursions by Palestinians who crossed the fence influenced the severity of the means adopted by the army.

In the long term there may be a developing problem here, which again raises the question of why the army did not get assistance from the police and Border Police, who have more experience in handling large-scale disturbances. The Gaza Strip remains a ticking time bomb; the current crisis might continue for the next several weekends and could also provoke reactions from Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

© Haaretz Daily Newspaper Ltd. All Rights Reserved

oh and reports from Hospitals in Gaza state that the vast majority of injuries caused by Israeli fire were lower body injuries mostly leg wounds. Which when you think about it must show a "shoot to kill" order was never issued or affected.

[Neferti]

Someone should read David vs Goliath to Albanese then ask him if he's finally worked out that rocks fired from slings can kill. We have a situation where lunatics seek to poke lions and see what the result will be. Israel is paranoid, that is understandable considering where they are and what goes on in their surrounding nations.

Do you have a link to where Albanese talks about rocks -v- guns?

Hamas are liars and do not care how many so-called Palestinians die in their cause. If they manage to invade Israel, that is a win, if they can make Israel look bad then that is a win... Unfortunately, some extreme RW groups and LW Progressives are anti-semitic and therefore anti-Israel...

Any sensible person that knows what happened to the British Mandate of Palestine knows just how difficult the creation of a 2 state solution will be. Jordan already exists as does Israel... there is your simple 2 state solution. A Jewish Israel and a Muslim Jordan. Palestine and Palestinians do not exist. They never have.

This "problem" has been going on since Israel was created in 1947 or whenever it was. It will never be sorted out. I thought that our resident OzPol smartarse had a "plan" to move Israel to Tasmania, or something ridiculous? As though he has a say in the matter.

[Rorschach]

Someone should read David vs Goliath to Albanese then ask him if he's finally worked out that rocks fired from slings can kill. We have a situation where lunatics seek to poke lions and see what the result will be. Israel is paranoid, that is understandable considering where they are and what goes on in their surrounding nations.

Do you have a link to where Albanese talks about rocks -v- guns?

yes check NEWS he's been on about it all day and was on Insiders this morning making the statement.

[Rorschach]

Mr Albanese, who is a member of the party’s left faction, suggested the response by Israeli forces may not have been proportionate.

“International law requires a proportionate response and those people who have guns on one side and on the other side has rocks, the people with guns have a responsibility to act in a way that is proportionate,” he told the ABC.

[Rorschach]

The non-logic goes... if they have a knife you can stab them, if they have a nuke you can nuke them, but only after they act first....

[Neferti]

Someone should read David vs Goliath to Albanese then ask him if he's finally worked out that rocks fired from slings can kill. We have a situation where lunatics seek to poke lions and see what the result will be. Israel is paranoid, that is understandable considering where they are and what goes on in their surrounding nations.

Do you have a link to where Albanese talks about rocks -v- guns?

yes check NEWS he's been on about it all day and was on Insiders this morning making the statement.

There is no need to take offence ... I do not sit around, all day, listening to what "they" say on The News, like you do. I still need a link to where whatshisname said something about "rocks". Can you, PLEASE, direct me to that "news"?

[Rorschach]

I didn't take offence....

I already posted the information for you.

[Neferti]

Sorry, I missed your post!