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Rorschach
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by Rorschach » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:00 am
Senator Cory Bernadi left the Liberals and started a new party. But just what is that party and what does it stand for?
Would you vote for it and why?
These excerpts from its website...
Personal Responsibility
Personal responsibility is central to the idea of a free society.
We believe that each individual is morally responsible for, and should bear responsibility for their actions.
Australian Conservatives recognises that the most effective form of government is self-government which requires the development in each person of the virtues of prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance, faith, hope, and charity.
Free Enterprise
The allocation of resources through voluntary agreement between individuals and businesses is the most productive and efficient supplier of human needs and is the economic system most compatible with a free society.
In recognising that living generations are stewards of the riches, both natural and cultural, material and spiritual, Australian Conservatives acknowledges that the logic of market relations does not exhaust the common good.
Having in earlier years joined and left the CANDO site (a so-called open conservative blog) and having watched the development of this party and Bernadi's personal beliefs I personally think that what he has developed is a religious based party in a secular society. One that will support and foster pro-religious beliefs and attitudes becoming another version of the Christian Democrats or Family First. Why therefore do we need another one?
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by Rorschach » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:05 am
Australian Conservatives running in Batman
Australian Associated Press
8:33AM February 20, 2018
The Australian Conservatives party has put forward a former SAS soldier to stand in the progressive inner-Melbourne federal seat of Batman, ahead of next month's by-election.
Candidate Kevin Bailey says he wants to stand against a political "drift to the left" in the March 17 poll sparked by the resignation of Labor's David Feeney because of his dual citizenship.
It comes after the Liberal party confirmed it would not run a candidate, leaving the field open to Labor to try to hold the marginal seat against the Australian Greens.
"With your help, Australian Conservatives can stand strong in Batman and make sure our nation does not continue its drift to the Left," Mr Baily said in a statement released by the party to its members.
Union boss Ged Kearney is Labor's candidate, while the Greens have chosen Alex Bhathal.
Ms Bhathal has unsuccessfully contested the seat in five elections.
Mr Feeney won Batman in 2016 in a tight contest against the Greens, on the back of Liberal preferences.
The Australian Conservatives are led by former Liberal Cory Bernardi, who remains a senator for South Australia.
The party was set up in response to concerns amongst right-leaning conservatives that the federal Liberal party was abandoning its roots.
Party spokesman Lyle Shelton told members the fact that the Liberals aren't running in Batman was "all the more reason for us to give the people of Batman the chance to send a message to Canberra".
Mr Bailey was an SAS soldier before taking up a career as a financial planner and is a former Herald-Sun columnist.
The fact that Lyle Shelton has joined the party and is a spokesman for it again reinforces the move to religion by the party.
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by Outlaw Yogi » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:35 pm
The problem with so called conservatives is they're too left wing.
Just about everything they are trying to conserve these days was considered communist 50 years ago.
The so called conservative movement has shifted considerably left, imagining it's the only way to remain relevant and reasonable in a society where communists have infiltrated and perverted all our institutions and bureaucracies.
The problem with so called progressives is they are too regressive, thus the moral grand standing and identity politics, coupled with an unreasonable mindset which cannot tolerate dissenting opinions/views. The long term goal of communists is to destroy western civilisation.
Y'see communists oppose democracy because they cannot impose their draconian rules when the plebs have a say. Communism is really just Monarchism by another name, thus unable to tolerate scrutiny or constructive criticism.
So for Oz and the rest of geo-politics, as the middle ground evaporates the polity moves to the polar extremes, and the ultimate result is war, both civil and national.
The Left can only win when it convinces the public collectivism is in their best interest, but Left wing regimes destroy the incentive to invent and create, meaning the Right wing will always develop superior technologies .... which the Left then try to steal, copy and reverse engineer.
That's why the best way to deal with China & Co is to cut them off from everything - trade, communication, finance, travel, diplomatic relations ... everything!
If Donald Trump is so close to the Ruskis, why couldn't he get Vladimir Putin to put novichok in Xi Jjinping's lipstick?
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by Rorschach » Fri May 11, 2018 9:51 am
Conservatism is not either Right or Left... Left and Right are...
Conservatism like Progressivism are political Opposites... You can be a LW Conservative or a RW Progressive.
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by Rorschach » Fri May 11, 2018 9:57 am
CANBERRA OBSERVED
Bernardi foray looks to be fading out of view
by NW Contributor
News Weekly, May 5, 2018
Senator Cory Bernardi’s grand dream of building a new grassroots party on the right of Australian politics to take on the major parties looks decidedly shaky based on the party’s performance in recent elections.
The South Australian-based MP formed his party in February of last year, as a breakaway from the Liberals, with whom he had been periodically at war for many years.
Momentum at the start was strong, with Bernardi quickly gathering upwards of 10,000 paid-up members and merging with the socially conservative Family First party in South Australia.
With the slogan, “Common Sense Lives Here”, Bernardi was also able to capitalise on a large number of disaffected Liberal supporters who found life problematic under Malcolm Turnbull. (Although it must be remembered that Senator Bernardi also had several run-ins with Tony Abbott when Mr Abbott was prime minister.)
However, the only real test of a political party is at the ballot box. Indeed, Canberra Observed, while cautiously optimistic about Bernardi’s prospects at the start, warned as much last year.
“The rapid rise of the Australian Conservatives has been the result of it being a conduit for disaffected Coalition supporters, for conservatives who no longer feel they have a voice, and for Australian patriots who want to believe their country has a future in a globalised world,” was the view taken back in July 2017.
“Bernardi himself is keen to cast himself and his movement as ‘anti-politician’, and this has helped garner support, but in the end only the ballot box will count, and getting more members elected will be the real test.”
But so far, success at the ballot box has eluded the new party.
Competing against Pauline Hanson’s One Nation, David Leyonhjelm’s Liberal Democrats and other independents, the Australian Conservatives depends largely on Senator Bernardi’s energy and ideas for success.
Mid last year the party had four members in Australian parliaments. Since then, its representation has dropped. One of the two former Family First MPs in the South Australian Parliament, Dennis Hood, defected to the Liberal Party shortly after the recent SA election, leaving only Bernardi himself and former Democratic Labour Party MLC in the Victorian Parliament, Rachel Carling-Jenkins.
Hood fired a parting shot at Senator Bernardi, predicting that the Australian Conservatives would have “no impact” on state politics.
“They received just over 3 per cent of the first-preference votes in the lower house, which is not going to get anyone anywhere,” Hood said after the SA election result.
And the Australian Conservatives were dealt another blow when the Labor Party nudged out the party’s sole remaining MP, Robert Brokenshire, for final spot in the South Australian upper house, which means that the party’s representation has effectively been halved in its first real election campaign, and in the party’s home state.
In the SA election, the Australian Conservatives fielded 33 candidates, but afterwards there were claims that many of these were phantom candidates put forward by the Liberal Party to garner conservative preferences.
Bernardi said he felt “white-anted” by the behaviour of Australian Conservatives colleagues.
News Ltd columnist Miranda Devine described as “less than impressive” the party’s performance in both the South Australian election and the Batman and Bennelong by-elections.
Coalition Assistant Minister Michael Sukkar, a prominent Victorian Liberal, has called on Bernardi to deregister his party. Sukkar said the fledgling party should “call it a day” after its recent polling efforts.
In Batman, the Liberals did not run a candidate, yet the Australian Conservatives candidate Kevin Bailey managed just 6.37 per cent of the vote. At the 2016 federal election, the Liberals had managed 20 per cent of the vote in Batman.
In the Bennelong by-election, the Liberals obviously did run their sitting member John Alexander, who won 45 per cent of first preferences, but Australian Conservatives candidate Joram Richa secured only 4.29 per cent of first preferences.
Senator Bernardi is unique because he is a genuine social conservative, but also economically a dry.
Some would argue that this is ultimately an unworkable political philosophy in the sense that unfettered markets tend to consider individuals as economic units and overlook the contribution of families and communities to their great detriment.
In other words, no minimum wage, unregulated trading hours and labour markets, the outsourcing of child care from the family unit to the state and so on, all positions that work against the protection of the basic institutions of society that social conservatives aim to achieve.
Ironically, it is in the highly competitive political market that Senator Bernardi is aiming to compete in, that the Australian Conservatives look to be losing out.
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by Malcolm_hates_your_kids » Fri May 11, 2018 1:31 pm
Rorschach wrote:Conservatism is not either Right or Left... Left and Right are...
Conservatism like Progressivism are political Opposites... You can be a LW Conservative or a RW Progressive.
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Stop making things worse!
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by Malcolm_hates_your_kids » Fri May 11, 2018 1:34 pm
Outlaw Yogi wrote:The problem with so called conservatives is they're too left wing.
Just about everything they are trying to conserve these days was considered communist 50 years ago.
The so called conservative movement has shifted considerably left, imagining it's the only way to remain relevant and reasonable in a society where communists have infiltrated and perverted all our institutions and bureaucracies.
The problem with so called progressives is they are too regressive, thus the moral grand standing and identity politics, coupled with an unreasonable mindset which cannot tolerate dissenting opinions/views. The long term goal of communists is to destroy western civilisation.
Y'see communists oppose democracy because they cannot impose their draconian rules when the plebs have a say. Communism is really just Monarchism by another name, thus unable to tolerate scrutiny or constructive criticism.
So for Oz and the rest of geo-politics, as the middle ground evaporates the polity moves to the polar extremes, and the ultimate result is war, both civil and national.
The Left can only win when it convinces the public collectivism is in their best interest, but Left wing regimes destroy the incentive to invent and create, meaning the Right wing will always develop superior technologies .... which the Left then try to steal, copy and reverse engineer.
That's why the best way to deal with China & Co is to cut them off from everything - trade, communication, finance, travel, diplomatic relations ... everything!
yay, say whatever ya want time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop making things worse!
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by Outlaw Yogi » Thu May 17, 2018 3:54 pm
Malcolm_hates_your_kids wrote:
yay, say whatever ya want time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It seems it has failed to dawn on you that the freedom of expression so valued by the members of this site means precisely that ... that we can write whatever we like! .... and if that fails to comply with your neo-poofy communist queer correctness, good!
Now go clean yer butt plug shit for brains.
If Donald Trump is so close to the Ruskis, why couldn't he get Vladimir Putin to put novichok in Xi Jjinping's lipstick?
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by Outlaw Yogi » Thu May 17, 2018 4:11 pm
Rorschach wrote:Conservatism is not either Right or Left... Left and Right are...
Conservatism like Progressivism are political Opposites... You can be a LW Conservative or a RW Progressive.
No shit Bellamy?
The Greens for example are for the most part left wing conservatives ... where as I identifying as a libertarian would be a right wing progressive, even though in reality I think the Left Vs Right paradigm is a distraction from reality - its purpose being to keep everyone arguing over petty and mundane things, so we don't pay attention to what really matters and what's really going on ... which is communist infiltrators within both the Liberal and Labor parties acting as China's useful idiots for the destruction of Westernised civilisation, so that when the corporate collapse comes they can say "See, capitalism is a failure, we need communism".
But what they fail to realise is the public political backlash to neo-poofy communism will be a fascist revolution ... and once instituted it's going to be hard to get rid of.
Imagine trying to fight the Nazi regime that posses todays technology.
If Donald Trump is so close to the Ruskis, why couldn't he get Vladimir Putin to put novichok in Xi Jjinping's lipstick?
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by Outlaw Yogi » Thu May 17, 2018 4:13 pm
BTW ... the reason IMO Bernardi's crew failed to get up in South Oz is because he amalgamated with the bat shit crazy Family Freaks.
If Donald Trump is so close to the Ruskis, why couldn't he get Vladimir Putin to put novichok in Xi Jjinping's lipstick?
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