Someone told me the other day that the kids have been granted permission to return to Australia. I have not read about it so don't know if it is true or not. IDIOTIC if it is true. Can we be any more stupid?Neferti~ wrote:I say NO. If Karen wants to see her grandkids, she can always fly over there for a visit.Black Orchid wrote:Should these children be allowed back into Australia? I say a resounding NO.
.............. His wife, Tara Nettleton, died in 2015, leaving the children in the Middle East. Her mother Karen has tried unsuccessfully to bring the children back to Australia
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-dept ... 8c1a58c94dIslamic State has officially called for Australians to launch terrorist attacks before the end of the holy month of Ramadan, urging them to follow the lead of their “brethren”.
A week after terror attacks in London and Melbourne, Islamic State released a speech by its official spokesman Abu al-Hassan al-Muhajir via encrypted chatting app Telegram early this morning.
“To the brethren of faith and belief in Europe, America, Russia, Australia, and others,” he said in Arabic, according to one translation, “Your brothers in your land have done well so take them as role models and do as they have done.”
He also praised fighters in cities in Syria and Iraq that Islamic State is likely to lose.
“O lions of Mosul, Raqqa, and Tal Afar, God bless those pure arms and bright faces, charge against the rejectionists and the apostates and fight them with the strength of one man,” he said.
Ramadan will end later this month.
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While typing that I was listening to the news headlines which said ...
33 year old Islamic man kidnapped an 18 year old and forces a secret marriage. Who performed this marriage?
A 41-year-old (Muslim) Sydney Uber driver convicted of raping a woman in the back of his car has been sentenced to at least six years and four months in jail. Later headlines say he is to be deported after his release. Forget that and deport him NOW!!
A stabbing in Bankstown (and we know the demographic there) for not handing over a cigarette.
Bilal Abdul Kareem spouts that he joined Jabhat al-Nusra, an affiliate of al-Qaeda which is banned in Australia, because his passport was cancelled after he travelled to fight in Syria. Of course it is Australia's fault?
Suspicious fire burns down house in Bass Hill inhabited by ... you guessed it.
What a wonderful place our lousy politicians have turned Sydney into.
33 year old Islamic man kidnapped an 18 year old and forces a secret marriage. Who performed this marriage?
A 41-year-old (Muslim) Sydney Uber driver convicted of raping a woman in the back of his car has been sentenced to at least six years and four months in jail. Later headlines say he is to be deported after his release. Forget that and deport him NOW!!
A stabbing in Bankstown (and we know the demographic there) for not handing over a cigarette.
Bilal Abdul Kareem spouts that he joined Jabhat al-Nusra, an affiliate of al-Qaeda which is banned in Australia, because his passport was cancelled after he travelled to fight in Syria. Of course it is Australia's fault?
Suspicious fire burns down house in Bass Hill inhabited by ... you guessed it.
What a wonderful place our lousy politicians have turned Sydney into.
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Here we go again.
IS has claimed this one too...
IS has claimed this one too...
Terrorism probe launched after Paris knife attack, two dead
AP
11:51AM May 13, 2018
A knife-wielding assailant killed a 29-year-old man and injured four others in a lively neighbourhood near Paris’ famed Opera Garnier before he was killed by police.
The Islamic State group claimed the attacker as one of its “soldiers.”
Counter-terrorism authorities took charge of the investigation, and President Emmanuel Macron vowed that France would not bow to extremists despite being the target of multiple deadly attacks in recent years.
Paris police officers evacuated people from some buildings in the Right Bank neighbourhood after the attack, which happened on rue Monsigny at about 9pm local time. Bar patrons and opera-goers described surprise and confusion in the immediate area.
Beyond the police cordon, however, crowds still filled nearby cafes and the city’s night life resumed its normal pace soon after the attack.
The unidentified attacker targeted five people and then fled, according to Paris police and a witness.
A 29-year-old man was killed, and four others were injured.
When police officers arrived minutes later, he threatened them and was shot to death, according to police union official Yvan Assioma.
French media reported that the police first tried to use a taser to stop the attacker, but this did not stop the man and they resorted to firing two shots.
Authorities are working to identify the assailant and anyone who might have helped him, Interior Minister Gerard Collomb told.
Prosecutor Francois Molins said counter-terrorism authorities are leading the investigation on potential charges of murder and attempted murder in connection with terrorist motives.
“At this stage, based on the one hand on the account of witnesses who said the attacker cried ‘Allahu akbar’ (God is great in Arabic) while attacking passers-by with a knife, and given the modus operandi, we have turned this over to the counterterrorist section of the Paris prosecutor’s office,” Mr Molins told reporters from the scene.
The Islamic State group’s Aamaq news agency said in a statement that the assailant carried out the attack in response to the group’s calls for supporters to target members of the US-led military coalition squeezing the extremists out of Iraq and Syria.
The Aamaq statement did not provide evidence for its claim or details on the assailant’s identity.
France’s military has been active in the coalition since 2014, and Islamic State adherents have killed more than 200 people in France in recent years, including the 130 who died in the co-ordinated November 2015 attacks in Paris.
President Emmanuel Macron tweeted his praise for police who “neutralised the terrorist” and said “France is once again paying the price of blood but will not cede an inch to enemies of freedom.” Saturday’s attack occurred near many bars and theatres, as well as the opera. France’s BFM television interviewed an unnamed witness in a restaurant who said a young woman was at the entrance when “a man arrived and attacked her with a knife.”
A friend came to her aid and the attacker left, “hitting on all the doors, all the shops,” the witness told BFM. He turned onto another street, and everyone scattered, the witness said.
“I was having a drink with friends and we heard a boom,” a witness named Gloria, who had been in a nearby bar, recounted on Saturday night. She said she went outside to see what happened and “I saw a guy lying on the ground.”
Another witness described leaving the opera house and being told to go back inside because of the attack.
The interior minister said the lives of the four injured people are no longer in danger.
Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said it took police less than nine minutes to subdue the attacker from the moment they were alerted. “This speed, calm and effectiveness allowed them to avoid ... a much heavier toll,” he told reporters.
French police have been criticised in the past for failing to prevent attacks. Paris authorities called for calm and understanding.
“Whatever the motivations of this odious act, let us remain united and standing,” deputy mayor Bruno Julliard tweeted.
France has suffered a series of major Islamist attacks over the past three years, including the massacre at the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo, the November 2015 attacks that killed 130 in Paris, and the 2016 Bastille Day truck attack in Nice.
A state of emergency put in place just after the 2015 Paris attacks was lifted in October when Macron’s centrist government passed a new law boosting the powers of security forces.
Thousands of French troops remain on the streets under an anti-terror operation known as Sentinelle, patrolling transport hubs, tourist hot spots and other sensitive sites.
French far-right leader Marine Le Pen called for greater security measures after the latest attack.
“The French people will no longer be content with talk, they expect action,” she said.
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Ban islam.
It is a death cult that is opposed to western society
It is a death cult that is opposed to western society
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Fanatic Islamic Family back from Syria bomb 3 Christian churches, dead and injured toll rises in Indonesia as today more murders occurred...
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One of the best most succinct appraisals of what is happening to our society today.Our 21st century tragedy - how the west was lost
Kevin Donnelly
The Australian
12:00AM May 14, 2018
Douglas Murray argues in The Strange Death of Europe that “Europe is committing suicide”, as proven by the mass immigration of thousands of young Islamic men and the failure by many within academia, the media and politics to acknowledge and defend the unique strengths and benefits of Western civilisation on which Europe is based.
Such is the dire nature of events, Murray concludes: “By the end of the lifespans of most of the people currently alive, Europe will no longer be Europe and the peoples of Europe will have lost the only place in the world we had to call home.”
While the situation in Australia is not as extreme, the reality is that our institutions and way of life are also threatened by immigration, especially by migrants committed to Islamic fundamentalism, and a campaign by the cultural left to denounce and undermine Western civilisation.
Illustrated by the Holsworthy Barracks terror plot, the Lindt cafe siege, the murder of Curtis Cheng outside the Parramatta police station and the Anzac Day plot to kill police at Melbourne’s Shrine of Remembrance, Islamic terrorism is an ever-present danger.
The rise of ethnic enclaves in western Sydney and metropolitan Melbourne and the violence and destruction caused by North African street gangs further highlight the dangers of allowing those to immigrate whose beliefs and values are inimical to our way of life.
The reality, similar to Europe and Britain, is that Australia’s non-discriminatory immigration policy and celebration of multiculturalism, as historian Geoffrey Blainey warned some years ago, is leading to Australia becoming a nation of tribes.
Instead of immigrants accepting our way of life and supporting the institutions and values that bind society and ensure peace and prosperity, too many assume that their customs and beliefs must be given priority. At the same time, Australian society is being undermined by a myopic celebration of multiculturalism and a flawed immigration policy. The bedrock that makes Australia unique and such a peaceful and prosperous nation is also threatened.
Instead of supporting Western civilisation, the cultural left since the late 1960s has taken the long march through the institutions to overthrow a society it condemns as inequitable, racist, classist, sexist, misogynist and heteronormative.
As argued by the former British secretary of state for education Michael Gove, beginning with the Frankfurt School, sympathetic academics have “revised Marxism as primarily a cultural rather than an economic movement. In place of anger at traditional capitalism, scorn was directed at the reigning values of the West.”
Gove goes on to say “the broader left moved its arena of struggle increasingly away from economic arguments and towards cultural ones”. Having realised they could never win the revolution by storming the barricades, the cultural left’s strategy is to infiltrate key institutions and win the battle of ideas.
Positive discrimination for victim groups, identity politics, virtue-signalling, trigger warnings and political correctness are all key weapons in the cultural left’s battle to overthrow the status quo and to bring about the much-sought-after socialist utopia.
Schools and universities are key battlegrounds for the culture wars. Australia’s national curriculum prioritises indigenous, environmental and Asian perspectives instead of the heritage and ongoing significance of Western civilisation and Judeo-Christianity.
As argued by Perth academic Augusto Zimmermann, our political and legal systems are imbued with Christian morals and ethics, and to deny such a reality is to jeopardise the rights we often take for granted.
The Bible’s teaching that we are all made in God’s image explains the commitment to the inherent dignity of each individual and the right to what the American Declaration of Independence calls the “unalienable rights” of “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”.
Knowledge of historical events like the Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment, and the ability to weigh and evaluate different truth claims based on logic and rationality, are also being lost.
Best illustrated by the Safe Schools program, where gender is fluid and limitless, the cultural left’s long march also involves a radical redefinition of marriage and traditional views about what it means to be a woman or a man.
One of its founders, Roz Ward, gives the game away when she argues “only Marxism provides the theory and practice of genuine human liberation” and that the “Safe Schools Coalition is about supporting gender and sexual diversity, not about stopping bullying”.
Instead of endorsing meritocracy and competition, cultural left groups like the Australian Education Union argue all must be winners and that equality of outcomes beats equality of opportunity.
Proven by how history, literature, sociology and politics are now taught at the tertiary level, it’s also clear how successful those committed to radical “theory” have been in overthrowing what they condemn as a liberal education.
Knowledge, instead of being impartial and inherently worthwhile, is part of the capitalist state’s “ideological state apparatus” and guilty of oppressing and marginalising so-called victim groups. As a result, education is no longer centred on what T.S. Eliot describes as “the preservation of learning, for the pursuit of truth, and in so far as men are capable of it, the attainment of wisdom”.
The works of Shakespeare and other Western literary classics, great and enduring art and music like the Sistine Chapel and Bach’s Mass in B Minor simply disguise power relationships involving the new trinity of “gender, ethnicity and class”, and teachers are told students must be re-educated in terms of group-think.
The attack on liberal education is also illustrated by the argument that a curriculum drawing on Western civilisation is guilty of promoting “whiteness” — described as leading to “different forms of domination and marginalisation — such as racism, sexism, classism, historical injustice and prejudice based on religion”.
The irony, of course, like Lenin’s useful idiots, is that those in education deconstructing and undermining Western civilisation are destroying the very institutions, beliefs and values that guarantee their freedom to mount a critique in the first place.
Kevin Donnelly is author of recently published How Political Correctness Is Destroying Australia (Wilkinson Press).
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Why do people seek to exclude their fellow Australians simply because they worship a different religion to the majority view point?
Surely we should be seeking to include them in our society, afterall the overwhelming majority are law-abiding Australian citizens. Simply because a minority choose to dress differently, act differently to what the majority of Muslims do. There are Muslims throughout our society, some are conservative, some are liberal in their viewpoints. Why not simply accept them as part of the diversity of Multicultural Australia?
Is it because they don't conform with the narrow-minded viewpoint of what Australians should look like, act like, dress like? Are we really that narrow minded as a society that we cannot accept differences? The Catholics, the Irish, immigrants of all kinds have had to put up with this rejection, why? Can't we learn as a society to be more accepting? Is it really that hard?
Surely we should be seeking to include them in our society, afterall the overwhelming majority are law-abiding Australian citizens. Simply because a minority choose to dress differently, act differently to what the majority of Muslims do. There are Muslims throughout our society, some are conservative, some are liberal in their viewpoints. Why not simply accept them as part of the diversity of Multicultural Australia?
Is it because they don't conform with the narrow-minded viewpoint of what Australians should look like, act like, dress like? Are we really that narrow minded as a society that we cannot accept differences? The Catholics, the Irish, immigrants of all kinds have had to put up with this rejection, why? Can't we learn as a society to be more accepting? Is it really that hard?
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Bwian of course lives in denial, as per his last post seeking only to defame the peaceful and ignore reality.Terrorists not defaming Islam, but attempting to observe it
Mark Durie
The Australian
12:00AM May 16, 2018
Islam in Indonesia has two faces. On one side there is a long and strong tradition of moderate Islam that embraces “unity in diversity”. On the other side is a growing intolerance that erupts from time to time in violence and goes hand-in-hand with demands for stricter adherence to sharia law. This is itself a manifestation of the decades-long global Islamic awakening whose impact can be observed in nation after nation.
The worst Indonesian expression of surging religious intolerance was not the Bali bombings but a jihad waged in the Moluccas that peaked around the year 2000, when the Laskar Jihad, a 2000-strong militia founded by a veteran of the Afghan jihad, declared war on Christians following reports of sectarian conflict. The result was thousands dead and a half-million internally displaced Christians.
Today Indonesia has many battle-hardened jihadi veterans, not only from domestic conflicts but also from Afghanistan and The Philippines jihad. There are also about 500 returnees from the conflict in Syria and Iraq.
President Joko Widodo spoke out strongly against last Sunday’s bombings of three churches in Surabaya, calling the perpetrators barbaric and inhumane. Malcolm Turnbull joined in the chorus yesterday, telling Melbourne radio station 3AW’s Neil Mitchell the suicide bombers were “brutal, inhumane, blasphemous” and “sickeningly cruel”, declaring: “It’s a reminder that these terrorists have got nothing to do with God … They are not defending Islam, they are … defaming it.”
These denunciations serve two purposes: to reassure the many Muslims who are appalled by the violence that they will not be tarred with the same brush, and to stigmatise any who may sympathise with the perpetrators.
It seems significant that the attacks on the Surabaya churches targeted representatives of the three main branches of Indonesian Christianity: a Reformed church, a Catholic church and a Pentecostal church. This comprehensive selection signals an intention to send a warning to all the major Christian denominations in the country.
Another feature of the bombings was that they were undertaken by six members of a single family.
The denunciations of this devout middle-class family as brutal and barbaric are inconsistent with the testimony of their neighbours, who described them as friendly, decent human beings. Dita Upriarto, the father, was described by one neighbour as a friendly “nice guy”. Another neighbour, a Christian woman, said: “They were like other devout Muslim families … the couple visited me when I gave birth and when my children were sick.” Upriarto’s sister, devastated by the events, wondered what had happened to “my good brother”.
Were they monsters or devout Muslims? The two faces of Indonesian Islam, one moderate and the other violent, seem to converge in this one family.
These are horrific events but verbal denunciations of this family do not relieve us of the responsibility of understanding them. In fact, we have an overwhelming body of evidence available to us concerning the beliefs of those who are ready and willing to sacrifice themselves in the name of Islam.
There are two key elements to their ideology.
One is the devaluing of non-Muslim lives. This contempt, which Upriarto’s family appears to have concealed from their neighbours, is endorsed by the Koran when it describes those who reject Islam as the “worst creatures”, inferior, losers, arrogant, insolent and impure. The Koran also repeatedly urges believers not to befriend non-Muslims.
The other key idea is a firmly held belief in a promise that beyond the act of pushing the button on a bomb lies not death but a superlative life in paradise. This, too, is derived from the Koran.
The Koran repeatedly condemns those who love this life more than the next, and jihadi movements ridicule non-Muslims as “those who love life”. Ashraf al-Qidra, a spokesman for the Hamas Ministry of Health in Gaza, commented on Monday’s violent demonstrations along the border with Israel: “Today you are fighting divine soldiers who love death for Allah like you love life and who compete among themselves for martyrdom like you flee from death.”
Julie Bishop called on the Gaza protesters to “refrain from violence” but instead she should be challenging their driving belief, the idea that martyrdom and paradise awaits the one who dies fighting for Allah’s cause.
Dita Upriarto’s wife, his two sons and two young daughters embraced the “love for death” and sought it in attempting to kill Christians. This was not an attempt to defame Islam, despite what the Prime Minister has claimed, but an attempt to observe it. The sobering fact is that the religiously inspired love for death is what turned an otherwise friendly, functional middle-class family into a lethal weapon.
As much as the authorities do need support from Muslims to answer the challenge of radical jihadism, we also need to acknowledge the truth that the Surabaya bombings had a religious motivation. To assert that they had nothing to do with Islam is a head-in-the-sand attempt to avoid reality. Such denials ring hollow and they cannot bring peace.
Mark Durie is an Anglican pastor, a Shillman-Ginsburg writing fellow at the Middle East Forum, and an adjunct research fellow of the Arthur Jeffery Centre for the Study of Islam.
if you are looking for a narrow-midd bigot who lives in denial bwian i suggest you find a mirror.
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Ban Muslims only if THEY:
1. Pray on public places, showing their asses to the world
2. Play Oriental music from the mosques
3. Wear Hijabs/Niqabs/Burkas
4. Want more than 1 mosque per city
5. Vote together and united against our majority matters and counter us just for the sake of arrogance & "punishment"
6. Are more than a specific percentage of the overall population
That's in Bulgaria. Works so far so good.
But this shit doesn't fly:
1. Pray on public places, showing their asses to the world
2. Play Oriental music from the mosques
3. Wear Hijabs/Niqabs/Burkas
4. Want more than 1 mosque per city
5. Vote together and united against our majority matters and counter us just for the sake of arrogance & "punishment"
6. Are more than a specific percentage of the overall population
That's in Bulgaria. Works so far so good.
But this shit doesn't fly:
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