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Should gay couples be allowed to adopt children?

Yes
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No
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Total votes: 13

Nicole
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Re: Adoption of children by gay couples

Post by Nicole » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:23 pm

@ My mate Mal
Mistress Nicole wrote:
Malcolm_hates_your_kids wrote:
Mistress Nicole wrote:@ Malcolm
Then why do perverts try to 'groom' children?
Because they're peadophiles. Any other inane questions I can answer for you?
You should be very careful what you admit people voted for then :read
1) Show me where I have "admitted" what people voted for. A quote of the post will be fine; and
2) Demonstrate how this is relevant to the topic; and
3) How are you going reading those peer reviewed journal articles on attachment? I'd say dictionary.com is being hammered.

Look forward to your response. Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Nic
Malcolm my man, where are you?

Look I've taken pity, and googled "attachment for dummies". What I got is this video, called "attachment made simple":

Now attachment theory IS not only all over the net, but in peer reviewed journal articles, and this has been the case for over 50 years (well, obviously it hasn't been all over the net for 50 years). It is relied upon heavily by allied health professionals working with children and families.

My premise that securely attached children will thrive regardless of the sexual orientation of the caregivers stands.

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Re: Adoption of children by gay couples

Post by Rorschach » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:51 pm

nic I don't give a toss what you and your friends think... you found an article with it in it... was that sooooo difficult?

You're complaining about nothing and trying to make an issue based on nothing.

Prove the article wrong... that is your job, not name calling or living in denial.

I have any number of real gay friends that agree with it 100%. :thumb
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Re: Adoption of children by gay couples

Post by Rorschach » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:56 pm

oh and Nicole another quote from a researcher you have ignored that is on topic...
Rorschach wrote:I'm simply saying don't be lazy or cast aspertions on my honesty.

I provided quotes...

Here's another more closely aligned with the actual topic... they aren't hard to find.
Schumm found that children with homosexual parents are 12-15 times more likely than children of heterosexual parents to be homosexual as adults. This is the strongest environmental influence ever reported for the development of homosexuality, and it involves very close family members, the parent-child relationship.
I tell you things, I find stuff and you just live in denial. :roll:
Attachment? Irrelevent. It only supports this quote.
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Re: Adoption of children by gay couples

Post by Nom De Plume » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:41 pm

The real issue that Nicole highlights is that there are not enough people willing to provide a safe and stable home for children and youth in need of same. As a consequence, Child Protection Services are widening their range of options to include various gender identifiers.

If it proves successful for the minor and carer, and if open adoption is an option, then it should be allowed.
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Re: Adoption of children by gay couples

Post by BigP » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:59 pm

Nom De Plume wrote:The real issue that Nicole highlights is that there are not enough people willing to provide a safe and stable home for children and youth in need of same. As a consequence, Child Protection Services are widening their range of options to include various gender identifiers.

If it proves successful for the minor and carer, and if open adoption is an option, then it should be allowed.
The problem is that there are not enough people to take on certain types of children and youth

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Re: Adoption of children by gay couples

Post by Malcolm_hates_your_kids » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:15 pm

BigP wrote:
Nom De Plume wrote:The real issue that Nicole highlights is that there are not enough people willing to provide a safe and stable home for children and youth in need of same. As a consequence, Child Protection Services are widening their range of options to include various gender identifiers.

If it proves successful for the minor and carer, and if open adoption is an option, then it should be allowed.
The problem is that there are not enough people to take on certain types of children and youth
So you solve it by abusing them with gay parents: good idea :tease
Stop making things worse! :pope

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Re: Adoption of children by gay couples

Post by Nicole » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:21 pm

Rorschach or whatever your name is. This is the article I referenced earlier in support of my position:
Children of same-sex parents enjoy better levels of health and wellbeing than their peers from traditional family units, new Australian research suggests.

In what they described as the largest study of its type in the world, University of Melbourne researchers surveyed 315 same-sex parents and 500 children about their physical health and social wellbeing.

Lead researcher Doctor Simon Crouch said children raised by same-sex partners scored an average of 6 per cent higher than the general population on measures of general health and family cohesion.

"That's really a measure that looks at how well families get along, and it seems that same-sex-parent families and the children in them are getting along well, and this has positive impacts on child health," Dr Crouch said.

There were more than 33,000 families with same-sex parents living in Australia, according to the most recent Australian Bureau of Statistics census.
I didn't quote the whole article, nor did I reference it so people could read the rest of the article and obtain the source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-05/c ... ds/5574168)

This is what I left out from that very same article:
Family Voice Australia research officer Roslyn Phillips said the study should be taken with caution.

"I wasn't surprised that these parents who volunteered for the study all thought their children were doing well," Ms Phillips said.

"You've got to look beyond studies like these to what happens when the child reaches adulthood, and that's the only time with independent assessment you can really say what's gone on with the parenting and then ask them how they're going in all sorts

of ways, I think that would be a more relevant study.

You've got to look beyond studies like these to what happens when the child reaches adulthood and that's the only time, with independent assessment you can really say, what's gone on with the parenting.

Roslyn Phillips, Family Voice Australia
Ms Phillips also questioned the the objectivity of the study's lead researcher.

"Simon Crouch is raising two young children himself with his male homosexual partner, the results should be taken with caution," she said.
ARE YOU STARTING TO GET WHY REFERENCES ARE IMPORTANT YET?

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Re: Adoption of children by gay couples

Post by Nicole » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:24 pm

@ rORSCHACH
Mistress Nicole wrote:@ Rorschach.

I surveyed 5 people, and 4 of the 5 think that articles should be referenced:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/view ... 70&t=15114
You don't think there's a problem with the sample size? You should have roasted me for that, which I knew you wouldn't because you have no idea about what is statistically significant. Therefore your interpretation of articles is problematic which is another reason you need to reference, not just cherry pick the part of a "study" that confirms your confirmation bias.

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Re: Adoption of children by gay couples

Post by Nicole » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:25 pm

Rorschach wrote:oh and Nicole another quote from a researcher you have ignored that is on topic...
Rorschach wrote:I'm simply saying don't be lazy or cast aspertions on my honesty.

I provided quotes...

Here's another more closely aligned with the actual topic... they aren't hard to find.
Schumm found that children with homosexual parents are 12-15 times more likely than children of heterosexual parents to be homosexual as adults. This is the strongest environmental influence ever reported for the development of homosexuality, and it involves very close family members, the parent-child relationship.
I tell you things, I find stuff and you just live in denial. :roll:
Attachment? Irrelevent. It only supports this quote.
Explain why, using your own words.

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Re: Adoption of children by gay couples

Post by Nicole » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:26 pm

Nom De Plume wrote:The real issue that Nicole highlights is that there are not enough people willing to provide a safe and stable home for children and youth in need of same. As a consequence, Child Protection Services are widening their range of options to include various gender identifiers.

If it proves successful for the minor and carer, and if open adoption is an option, then it should be allowed.
Correct.

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