Australia faces famine, expert warns

[JW.Frogen]

You can't have it both ways. Want to reduce carbon emissions... then stop encouraging the root cause of it all. Constantly increasing consumerism.

I say humans follow their evolutionary plan, the plan that always works for them, consume and adapt.

[Monkey Magic]

sulfur seeding of clouds is adapting to global warming.

[JW.Frogen]

sulfur seeding of clouds is adapting to global warming.

Then shall we sulfur our seed all through the sky?

Sounds like fun to me.

[Monkey Magic]

a sulfur orgy and no less will bring that silver lining.

[boxy]

You can't have it both ways. Want to reduce carbon emissions... then stop encouraging the root cause of it all. Constantly increasing consumerism.

I say humans follow their evolutionary plan, the plan that always works for them, consume and adapt.

Genetic evolution gave us this brain to use, and it's power is to shape the future we want when possible, and to adapt if necessary.

Meme selection has brought the philosophy of science to the forefront because it's insights shape more successful societies when it's impartial findings are embraced.

You are suggesting we drunkenly stumble about the universe, not caring about fucking the place over because we have adapted to such bumbling in the past.

Inspirational.

[boxy]

Such a philosophy, Frogen, only works with constant frontiers to expand into.

Until space becomes viable for wholesale migration, we are stuck on a world that is finite.

[Monkey Magic]

Genetic evolution gave us this brain to use, and it's power is to shape the future we want when possible, and to adapt if necessary.

... to shape the future....

boxy, do you have goals for the future that you plan for? of course you do. we all do on some level. how long into the future does your plan go? twenty, thirty, forty years into the future? no? that is not unexpected if you don't. we just dont normally plan that far ahead.

how far into the future do you plan then? five years would be normal. how far into the future do business plan? between one and five years? how far into the future to governments plan? about five years. are you seeing a pattern?

idealistically, we can speculate any future time. realistically we plan for the near future only.

we shape the near future which then affects the long term future in ways we can only speculate upon. carbon increases and their green house impact was speculated in the 1920s and 30s. but you cannot plan for speculation. climate change was known in the 70s, but we did not plan for it because the consequences were too far into the future. climate change is now impacting and all we can do is set co2 reduction targets every five years or so.

we are so inept at planning beyond a five year threshold that we will fail to reduce carbon emissions before significant climate change. sulfur seeding of clouds is the only solution humans have to shape the future we want.

i predict that even the sulfur seeding program will itself be a five year plan.

[JW.Frogen]

You can't have it both ways. Want to reduce carbon emissions... then stop encouraging the root cause of it all. Constantly increasing consumerism.

I say humans follow their evolutionary plan, the plan that always works for them, consume and adapt.

Genetic evolution gave us this brain to use, and it's power is to shape the future we want when possible, and to adapt if necessary.

Meme selection has brought the philosophy of science to the forefront because it's insights shape more successful societies when it's impartial findings are embraced.

You are suggesting we drunkenly stumble about the universe, not caring about fucking the place over because we have adapted to such bumbling in the past.

Inspirational.

No I am saying that one of the things our brain is good at is learning from the reality of the human condition and the reality of the human condition is that humans will not be poor to be good and so any solution to global warming has to take into account growing consumption and find adaptation strategies to that.

Political rationing, whether through carbon caps or consumption limits is more akin to a religious belief than it is science when it comes to how humans actually behave.

[JW.Frogen]

Such a philosophy, Frogen, only works with constant frontiers to expand into.

Until space becomes viable for wholesale migration, we are stuck on a world that is finite.

The amount of resources we have access to now would have been considered impossible a century ago, the amount of food we produce, fuel we produce, wealth we produce.

Technology and innovation probably will reveal that we are no where near the limits.

[AiA in Atlanta]

I saw the movie "2012" last night. Forget famine! It is "crust displacement" we have to deal with in a couple of years. And John Cusack can't save us! It is all over I tell you! The end is near!