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You best take a moral superiority bex and have a lie down cods... you shouldn't believe all the crap that gets posted.
Pollies have a right to a personal life too you know.
here is a Conservative woman who doesn't quite get it right but this is as close as you'll get to balanced on this issue...
Barnaby Joyce’s greatest sin is being conservative
The Australian
12:00AM February 19, 2018
Jennifer Oriel
While less offensive than a Bob and Blanche biopic, the Barnaby and Vikki show is best viewed in a dimly lit interior. Australians aren’t prudish but the suggestion that Barnaby Joyce and a staff member had an affair on the public purse offends common decency and aesthetic sensibilities.
The Deputy Prime Minister arguably misused his power as the highest-ranking conservative in government by having an extramarital affair with a staffer. He is compounding the damage by refusing to resign.
His sense of entitlement is degrading public discourse and deepening the democratic deficit as people question whether any politician can be trusted. While it is fair to charge Joyce with hypocrisy, we should beware the double standard that condemns conservatives for immoral behaviour while exonerating their progressivist counterparts.
The Joyce affair is another nail in the coffin for Coalition conservatives. When Tony Abbott was rolled as prime minister by Malcolm Turnbull’s Liberals left faction, the Nationals became flag-bearers for traditional social values in government. Many people voted for the Coalition on the basis that the Nationals would balance Turnbull’s tilt to the left. Joyce’s appointment as deputy prime minister was part of the balancing act.
Joyce is no titan of Australian politics but he is the highest-ranking conservative in government and campaigned for traditional marriage during last year’s same-sex marriage plebiscite. After news of his extramarital affair broke, the left was quick to cry hypocrite over his public stance against gay marriage. Fair enough.
The anger over Joyce’s protracted extramarital affair with a staffer is shared broadly. But outside of his family, few are more disappointed than conservatives. Many feel that he has made a mockery of conservative values.
The conservative disappointment with Joyce is palpable in the media, where right-leaning journalists are holding him to account. Conservative commentators are putting the principle before the side and calling for his resignation. However, sections of the progressivist media are taking a markedly different approach. Somewhere along the line, Joyce’s midlife crisis became an excuse to bash conservatives. The Deputy PM is a bad boy for sleeping around but an appalling sod for being right-wing, so the story goes. The progs should beware the boomerang effect.
Barnaby Joyce, hypocrite, is an acute angle with popular appeal. And it has the easy virtue of being true. The news of a hypocrite in the House was splashed across the media left and right, national and international. London’s The Times captured the essence of the story and impending social opprobrium with the headline: Barnaby Joyce, ‘family man’ of Australian politics, moves in with his pregnant lover. Note the scare quotes and unleash the hounds.
On Saturday actor Susan Sarandon had her say about the Joyce affair in Fairfax. “It just seems as if government these days is so full of reactionary hypocrites,” she said. “It always seems it’s the guys who are the most right-wing — either homophobic or the least empathetic with women — that you suddenly find out were leading this other life.” The conflation of right-wing, bigoted and deceptive is a neat rhetorical trick. But you can’t erase Bill Clinton from history, no matter how convenient the revision might be to damning conservative politicians from the lofty heights of political purity.
It’s true that Joyce has a lot to answer for and the charge of hypocrisy will stick. If he had campaigned as a libertarian or a card-carrying member of the Sex Party, few would care if he crossed a moral line.
But he rose to power as leader of the Nationals on a family values ticket. He defended the traditional family by arguing that monogamous marriage confers higher status upon women. Then he had an affair with a member of his political staff while his wife and four kids were none the wiser.
Joyce might have got away with the affair, except he’s pro-life and the proof is plain to see. On that matter, at least, he stuck with conservative principles and deserves some credit for it.
There is less furore when left-wing politicians cross a moral line on the public purse. When Kevin Rudd admitted to hitting a strip club while representing Australia at the UN, his ratings went up. The public liked a bit of dirt on the clean-cut technocrat often pictured leaving church with his wife. He won the federal election in a landslide a few months later.
The extramarital affair of Labor’s longest-serving PM, Bob Hawke, with Blanche d’Alpuget posed no obstacle to his career. It began in 1976, with a proposal two years later allegedly cancelled because Hawke aspired to be PM. He had been married to Hazel since 1956 and they had four children at the time. D’Alpuget later wrote that Hawke said: “Divorce could cost Labor 3 per cent.”
ABC iView recently aired Hawke, The Larrikin and the Leader, describing him as “a man with character, humour, individuality and flaws — making him an unforgettable leader”. What have they said about Joyce’s flaws?
Perhaps the most shocking case of double standards for double-crossing politicians was the progressivist response to the allegations of sexual abuse levelled at then US president Bill Clinton. When Clinton was accused of rape and sexual assault, feminists formed a virtual protection racket around their progressive icon. Bubba couldn’t be guilty — he was a Democrat, after all.
In The N ew York Times, celebrity feminist Gloria Steinem penned an opinion piece revealing feminism had become the domain of the partisan left. She defended Clinton by questioning the credibility of some alleged victims. The message seemed clear; unless you march left, don’t expect the sisterhood to have your back.
There is no doubt that Barnaby Joyce has done wrong and he has admitted as much. However he seems suspended in a deep state of denial about the gravity of the situation and the deleterious effect of his actions on government stability and unity. For the sake of the nation, it’s time to man up and move on.
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Barnaby Joyce affair: Wife Natalie wants Nats leader to keep his job
The Australian
8:35AM February 20, 2018
Natalie Joyce does not want her husband unseated as Deputy Prime Minister or Nationals leader as a defiant Barnaby declared he will not be blasted out of office.
Mrs Joyce’s close friends say she has been worried that some in the Nationals party room are using the scandal to unseat Mr Joyce and claim the leadership, Sydney’s Daily Telegraph reports. This is why she has been hesitant to agree to a major media interview.
Mr Joyce has been in crisis since it was revealed he had become embroiled in an affair with former staffer Vikki Campion and is expecting a child with her in April.
Mrs Joyce made her first public appearance at the weekend, attending a birthday party cruise on Sydney Harbour for a Nationals and Liberal Party donor, Kirsty Berger.
Nationals president Larry Anthony convened an emergency meeting of senior party officials yesterday to discuss the widening crisis, following pleas by former deputy prime minister John Anderson for MPs to “exercise their responsibility” and resolve the issue by next week.
The phone hook-up included Nationals party officials from NSW, Queensland, Victoria and Western Australia and canvassed the political fallout over Mr Joyce’s affair with Ms Campion, which has imperilled his leadership and escalated calls for his resignation.
The Australian understands the meeting was brief and there was no final decision made about Mr Joyce’s future. The talks specifically discussed yesterday’s Newspoll, which showed that 65 per cent of Australians wanted the Nationals leader to resign to the backbench or leave parliament altogether.
In an interview with Fairfax Media today, Mr Joyce played down the meeting, claimed he was the victim of a witch-hunt and declared “I’m not going anywhere’’.
“I’ve been in heaps of fights in my political life, this is another one, in any person’s political career you aren’t created by the times in your favour, you’re tempered by the times of adversity. That’s how politics works — you rise to deal with it,” he told Fairfax.
“I am humbled by the support in my electorate and in the community. People are starting to see this as a witch hunt. I’m not going anywhere, I never would.
“People know enough about me to know that I’m hardly one to run away from a fight.”
Fairfax also reports allies of Mr Joyce believe the Prime Minister’s office is actively working with journalists to leak against and destabilise Mr Joyce to force him out.
The Government leader in the Senate Mathias Cormann said he was “not going to become a commentator”, when asked what he made of Mr Joyce’s claim that he has become the subject of a “witch-hunt”.
Senator Cormann said the only contact he had had with Mr Joyce since being asked to replace him as acting prime minister when Malcolm Turnbull heads to the US tomorrow had been leaving a voicemail.
“Obviously the matters that were on the front pages of newspapers last week by and large were deeply personal matters,” Senator Cormann said.
“I feel for Barnaby, I feel for his family and kids and I feel for his partner, for that matter.
“Obviously it would have been a very difficult week for them. It was a distraction for the government, I mean that’s a matter of fact, but moving forward our focus is on progressing our plan for more jobs and higher wages.”
Asked whether he had spoken to Mr Joyce, Senator Cormann said he had left a voicemail.
“We haven’t had a chance to talk, no. I left a message for him over the last few days,” Senator Cormann said.
“Barnaby’s had a difficult week, there’s no two ways about it. It would have been very tough on him, as it would have been tough on his family and on his partner for that matter, and it’s important no doubt for him and his family, but it’s of course also important for the government for us to get to the other side of this.”
Michael McCormack — the Veterans’ Affairs Minister touted as most likely to succeed Mr Joyce — fuelled leadership speculation further after repeatedly refusing to support the Deputy Prime Minister. He also refused to rule out a challenge at next Monday’s party room meeting before reluctantly signalling his personal support.
“There is no challenge at the moment,” Mr McCormack told Sky News.
“Of course, there’s been talk about what may or may not happen ... but at the moment Barnaby Joyce is the leader of the National party. If I knew what was going to happen this week, I’d be down at the local racetrack betting on the horses I knew were going to come home.”
Senior Nationals sources said Mr Joyce commanded the support of a key bloc of MPs, including Matthew Canavan, David Littleproud, Nigel Scullion, Bridget McKenzie, George Christensen, Damian Drum and Llew O’Brien.
Speaking in PyeongChang at the Winter Olympics yesterday, Ms McKenzie lent her support to Mr Joyce, saying he “delivers for regional and rural Australia like nobody else”.
“I support our leader,” Ms McKenzie, the Sport Minister, said. “This is a party that’s been delivering for the regions for 100 years.
“I have been unequivocal in my comments around Barnaby and his leadership and the National party’s role in Australian politics, so that’s where it stands.”
MPs understood to be testing the moods in their electorates about the Joyce affair include Darren Chester, Keith Pitt, Andrew Broad, Michael McCormack, Ken O’Dowd, Barry O’Sullivan and Luke Hartsuyker. Other MPs who have provided qualified support for Mr Joyce include John Williams and Michelle Landry.
Mr Anderson, who served as deputy prime minister to John Howard between 1999 and 2005, appealed to Mr Joyce to use his time on leave over the next week to think through his personal situation “very carefully”, including his responsibilities to the government, his family and unborn son.
“I would encourage him, while he is on leave, to clear his head and I say that as a friend who was his campaign chairman, to clear his head and to think this through very carefully indeed,” Mr Anderson told The Australian.
“He has enormous responsibilities to his own family including his unborn son as well his party and the nation.”
The intervention from Mr Anderson was his most direct involvement since Mr Joyce’s affair was made public. While not calling on Mr Joyce to resign, Mr Anderson advised members of the Nationals party room they could not afford to abrogate their responsibility to their constituents and the government. He urged Nationals MPs to act swiftly to rectify the situation or risk having it “taken out of their hands”, but said they would have to justify their decision to the public.
“The individual senators and members of the party room must accept the responsibility to ensure the party and parliament function responsibly as well, so they have to ensure, in so far as it depends on them, that they are in a position by the time parliament goes back to be able to say the government can and will be able to function properly,” Mr Anderson said.
“That is their responsibility. If they don’t exercise it — as I said last week and reiterate again — it will be taken out of their hands. It’s already bad enough. The party must exercise its responsibility in terms of delivering government.”
The crisis over Mr Joyce’s personal life last week triggered public hostilities between the Nationals leader and Malcolm Turnbull after the Prime Minister condemned the affair as a “shocking error of judgment” that had “appalled everyone” when he unveiled his sex ban between ministers and their staff on Thursday.
Mr Turnbull sidestepped questions about Mr Joyce’s future, saying he was uncertain whether the Deputy Prime Minister still commanded the support of his colleagues, and it was up to the Nationals party room to choose its leader. “A person’s leadership of a political party is really determined, comes to an end — leaving aside death or misadventure — in two ways: either the person resigns or their party room decides they want someone else to be the leader,” he told 3AW radio.
He said he had buried the hatchet with Mr Joyce during their Saturday meeting in Sydney and the pair could continue to work well together. “We’ve put whatever tensions there were behind us,” he told 3AW.
The Prime Minister revealed Mr Joyce had not told him of his relationship with Ms Campion, and declined to say whether he had asked the Nationals leader about the rumours of an affair.
Mr Joyce’s former chief-of-staff and now Queensland MP for the seat of Wright, Scott Buchholz, said he believed the Nationals leader could hold on to his job. “Not that I get to have my say within the Nationals party ranks, however if I was a betting man, I would suggest Barnaby at a trot would outperform politically any challenger at full gallop,” Mr Buchholz said.
Bill Shorten escalated his attack on Mr Turnbull, saying he was “too weak” to sack the Nationals leader for what was a breach of ministerial standards. “I didn’t need a poll to tell me that Barnaby should go,” he said.
Mr Joyce, who has taken a week’s leave, declined to respond to the comments from Mr McCormack.
The Australian
8:35AM February 20, 2018
Natalie Joyce does not want her husband unseated as Deputy Prime Minister or Nationals leader as a defiant Barnaby declared he will not be blasted out of office.
Mrs Joyce’s close friends say she has been worried that some in the Nationals party room are using the scandal to unseat Mr Joyce and claim the leadership, Sydney’s Daily Telegraph reports. This is why she has been hesitant to agree to a major media interview.
Mr Joyce has been in crisis since it was revealed he had become embroiled in an affair with former staffer Vikki Campion and is expecting a child with her in April.
Mrs Joyce made her first public appearance at the weekend, attending a birthday party cruise on Sydney Harbour for a Nationals and Liberal Party donor, Kirsty Berger.
Nationals president Larry Anthony convened an emergency meeting of senior party officials yesterday to discuss the widening crisis, following pleas by former deputy prime minister John Anderson for MPs to “exercise their responsibility” and resolve the issue by next week.
The phone hook-up included Nationals party officials from NSW, Queensland, Victoria and Western Australia and canvassed the political fallout over Mr Joyce’s affair with Ms Campion, which has imperilled his leadership and escalated calls for his resignation.
The Australian understands the meeting was brief and there was no final decision made about Mr Joyce’s future. The talks specifically discussed yesterday’s Newspoll, which showed that 65 per cent of Australians wanted the Nationals leader to resign to the backbench or leave parliament altogether.
In an interview with Fairfax Media today, Mr Joyce played down the meeting, claimed he was the victim of a witch-hunt and declared “I’m not going anywhere’’.
“I’ve been in heaps of fights in my political life, this is another one, in any person’s political career you aren’t created by the times in your favour, you’re tempered by the times of adversity. That’s how politics works — you rise to deal with it,” he told Fairfax.
“I am humbled by the support in my electorate and in the community. People are starting to see this as a witch hunt. I’m not going anywhere, I never would.
“People know enough about me to know that I’m hardly one to run away from a fight.”
Fairfax also reports allies of Mr Joyce believe the Prime Minister’s office is actively working with journalists to leak against and destabilise Mr Joyce to force him out.
The Government leader in the Senate Mathias Cormann said he was “not going to become a commentator”, when asked what he made of Mr Joyce’s claim that he has become the subject of a “witch-hunt”.
Senator Cormann said the only contact he had had with Mr Joyce since being asked to replace him as acting prime minister when Malcolm Turnbull heads to the US tomorrow had been leaving a voicemail.
“Obviously the matters that were on the front pages of newspapers last week by and large were deeply personal matters,” Senator Cormann said.
“I feel for Barnaby, I feel for his family and kids and I feel for his partner, for that matter.
“Obviously it would have been a very difficult week for them. It was a distraction for the government, I mean that’s a matter of fact, but moving forward our focus is on progressing our plan for more jobs and higher wages.”
Asked whether he had spoken to Mr Joyce, Senator Cormann said he had left a voicemail.
“We haven’t had a chance to talk, no. I left a message for him over the last few days,” Senator Cormann said.
“Barnaby’s had a difficult week, there’s no two ways about it. It would have been very tough on him, as it would have been tough on his family and on his partner for that matter, and it’s important no doubt for him and his family, but it’s of course also important for the government for us to get to the other side of this.”
Michael McCormack — the Veterans’ Affairs Minister touted as most likely to succeed Mr Joyce — fuelled leadership speculation further after repeatedly refusing to support the Deputy Prime Minister. He also refused to rule out a challenge at next Monday’s party room meeting before reluctantly signalling his personal support.
“There is no challenge at the moment,” Mr McCormack told Sky News.
“Of course, there’s been talk about what may or may not happen ... but at the moment Barnaby Joyce is the leader of the National party. If I knew what was going to happen this week, I’d be down at the local racetrack betting on the horses I knew were going to come home.”
Senior Nationals sources said Mr Joyce commanded the support of a key bloc of MPs, including Matthew Canavan, David Littleproud, Nigel Scullion, Bridget McKenzie, George Christensen, Damian Drum and Llew O’Brien.
Speaking in PyeongChang at the Winter Olympics yesterday, Ms McKenzie lent her support to Mr Joyce, saying he “delivers for regional and rural Australia like nobody else”.
“I support our leader,” Ms McKenzie, the Sport Minister, said. “This is a party that’s been delivering for the regions for 100 years.
“I have been unequivocal in my comments around Barnaby and his leadership and the National party’s role in Australian politics, so that’s where it stands.”
MPs understood to be testing the moods in their electorates about the Joyce affair include Darren Chester, Keith Pitt, Andrew Broad, Michael McCormack, Ken O’Dowd, Barry O’Sullivan and Luke Hartsuyker. Other MPs who have provided qualified support for Mr Joyce include John Williams and Michelle Landry.
Mr Anderson, who served as deputy prime minister to John Howard between 1999 and 2005, appealed to Mr Joyce to use his time on leave over the next week to think through his personal situation “very carefully”, including his responsibilities to the government, his family and unborn son.
“I would encourage him, while he is on leave, to clear his head and I say that as a friend who was his campaign chairman, to clear his head and to think this through very carefully indeed,” Mr Anderson told The Australian.
“He has enormous responsibilities to his own family including his unborn son as well his party and the nation.”
The intervention from Mr Anderson was his most direct involvement since Mr Joyce’s affair was made public. While not calling on Mr Joyce to resign, Mr Anderson advised members of the Nationals party room they could not afford to abrogate their responsibility to their constituents and the government. He urged Nationals MPs to act swiftly to rectify the situation or risk having it “taken out of their hands”, but said they would have to justify their decision to the public.
“The individual senators and members of the party room must accept the responsibility to ensure the party and parliament function responsibly as well, so they have to ensure, in so far as it depends on them, that they are in a position by the time parliament goes back to be able to say the government can and will be able to function properly,” Mr Anderson said.
“That is their responsibility. If they don’t exercise it — as I said last week and reiterate again — it will be taken out of their hands. It’s already bad enough. The party must exercise its responsibility in terms of delivering government.”
The crisis over Mr Joyce’s personal life last week triggered public hostilities between the Nationals leader and Malcolm Turnbull after the Prime Minister condemned the affair as a “shocking error of judgment” that had “appalled everyone” when he unveiled his sex ban between ministers and their staff on Thursday.
Mr Turnbull sidestepped questions about Mr Joyce’s future, saying he was uncertain whether the Deputy Prime Minister still commanded the support of his colleagues, and it was up to the Nationals party room to choose its leader. “A person’s leadership of a political party is really determined, comes to an end — leaving aside death or misadventure — in two ways: either the person resigns or their party room decides they want someone else to be the leader,” he told 3AW radio.
He said he had buried the hatchet with Mr Joyce during their Saturday meeting in Sydney and the pair could continue to work well together. “We’ve put whatever tensions there were behind us,” he told 3AW.
The Prime Minister revealed Mr Joyce had not told him of his relationship with Ms Campion, and declined to say whether he had asked the Nationals leader about the rumours of an affair.
Mr Joyce’s former chief-of-staff and now Queensland MP for the seat of Wright, Scott Buchholz, said he believed the Nationals leader could hold on to his job. “Not that I get to have my say within the Nationals party ranks, however if I was a betting man, I would suggest Barnaby at a trot would outperform politically any challenger at full gallop,” Mr Buchholz said.
Bill Shorten escalated his attack on Mr Turnbull, saying he was “too weak” to sack the Nationals leader for what was a breach of ministerial standards. “I didn’t need a poll to tell me that Barnaby should go,” he said.
Mr Joyce, who has taken a week’s leave, declined to respond to the comments from Mr McCormack.
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sorry but for me it all comes down the the fact he is THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER
when will you all get that...
TO ME I EXPECT MORE FORM MY ELECTED MEMBERS than it appears most of you..
and thats fine I am old school and dont apologise for that...
BUT SOMEHOW I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE FAITH IN THOSE CHOSEN FOR THE FRONT BENCH
i dont care for myself what he was doing out of school.... I seriously dont......
but he has brought the govt into disrepute and he made his wife look a complete fool...and on top of that he used his position to help his mistress fly under the radar.....
all of which seems most are prepared to turn a blind eye too..
well not me.....we are talking about a man in his 50s witha wife and 4 children....who couldnt keep his hands off a 30 something tart in the office.....
I think you will find this was going on more or less from the time she moved into his office......
our friend greg is raging over in ozpol about Trumps PAST yet I havent seen a word on this...
maybe its the australian way.. one I havent picked up yet,
I dont give a shit what the other parties have or havent done.. this is about the govt in 2018....if it was labor would you be turning a blind eye?.
I dont think parties come into this....... its what we expect or what we will put up with....because it applies to all members...
do we seriously only care if our sitting members are ALL AUSTRALIANS ONLY! REALLY? you dont expect any more
when will you all get that...
TO ME I EXPECT MORE FORM MY ELECTED MEMBERS than it appears most of you..
and thats fine I am old school and dont apologise for that...
BUT SOMEHOW I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE FAITH IN THOSE CHOSEN FOR THE FRONT BENCH
i dont care for myself what he was doing out of school.... I seriously dont......
but he has brought the govt into disrepute and he made his wife look a complete fool...and on top of that he used his position to help his mistress fly under the radar.....
all of which seems most are prepared to turn a blind eye too..
well not me.....we are talking about a man in his 50s witha wife and 4 children....who couldnt keep his hands off a 30 something tart in the office.....
I think you will find this was going on more or less from the time she moved into his office......
our friend greg is raging over in ozpol about Trumps PAST yet I havent seen a word on this...
maybe its the australian way.. one I havent picked up yet,
I dont give a shit what the other parties have or havent done.. this is about the govt in 2018....if it was labor would you be turning a blind eye?.
I dont think parties come into this....... its what we expect or what we will put up with....because it applies to all members...
do we seriously only care if our sitting members are ALL AUSTRALIANS ONLY! REALLY? you dont expect any more
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Really what about Burke, Shorten and Hawke... who was PM by the way not Deputy PM.....cods wrote:sorry but for me it all comes down the the fact he is THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER
when will you get that...?
How did he bring the Government into disrepute?
Why do you think his wife is a fool?
BTW there are several topics on just this crap over on Ozpol and the LW Progs are having a field day probably moreso now I've been banned from there there will be no balance in the arguments on anything. And they will all be getting away with lying their arses off.
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Regarding the extra marital affairs those listed are all the same. Shorten certainly has no moral leg to stand on and should be ousted for even commenting on it. That doesn't really affect me or my taxes though.
The fact that Barnaby allegedly gave Campion a plum job is a different story though. Apparently he has not breached Ministerial standards with regard to her employment because she was not his 'partner' at the time of her appointments.
Did Barnaby put her in Matthew Canavan's office? She left there and went to Damian Drum's office when Canavan got caught up in the citizenship sage so is it a matter of the Nationals looking after their staff as all parties are wont to do?
Joyce approved the jobs but did he initiate them? I just don't know.
The fact that Barnaby allegedly gave Campion a plum job is a different story though. Apparently he has not breached Ministerial standards with regard to her employment because she was not his 'partner' at the time of her appointments.
Did Barnaby put her in Matthew Canavan's office? She left there and went to Damian Drum's office when Canavan got caught up in the citizenship sage so is it a matter of the Nationals looking after their staff as all parties are wont to do?
Joyce approved the jobs but did he initiate them? I just don't know.
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As far as I gather, Campion was employed as a "Media Advisor" for Barnaby's Election Campaign in 2016. Media Advisors are paid up to about $240,000 pa. She is a qualified Journalist. She then joined Barnaby's staff .... she obviously did a good job during the Campaign and he liked her.Black Orchid wrote:Regarding the extra marital affairs those listed are all the same. Shorten certainly has no moral leg to stand on and should be ousted for even commenting on it. That doesn't really affect me or my taxes though.
The fact that Barnaby allegedly gave Campion a plum job is a different story though. Apparently he has not breached Ministerial standards with regard to her employment because she was not his 'partner' at the time of her appointments.
Did Barnaby put her in Matthew Canavan's office? She left there and went to Damian Drum's office when Canavan got caught up in the citizenship sage so is it a matter of the Nationals looking after their staff as all parties are wont to do?
Joyce approved the jobs but did he initiate them? I just don't know.
She was then transferred to Canaban's office, presumably as a media advisor ... I doubt she got an increase in salary. Perhaps this was because of the affair, who knows. Then, because of Canavan's citizen shit, she was again transferred to Drum's office.
Getting transferred to positions is normal in the Public Service, I did it without the job being advertised. I also had positions created for me without interview. I didn't sleep/have an affair with any Boss either.
It happens all the time. Anyway, I am sick to death about all this. Just heard on Sky News that there is "something in the Radio World" about to break in the next day or two. Wonder who is involved in that?
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bah bye Barney...WA Nationals withdraw support from Barnaby Joyce
WA Nationals leader Mia Davies says Barnaby Joyce no longer has the support of her state’s party.
The withdrawal of support from the WA branch of the Nationals comes just weeks after Joyce’s affair with a former staffer, Vikki Campion, was exposed.
In a statement, Ms Davies said she had contacted the Deputy Prime Minister to inform him of the branch’s decision.
"Mr Joyce's actions have caused pain for his family but it is the ongoing damage Mr Joyce is causing The Nationals organisation that is of greatest concern to me as WA Leader," the statement said.
“The Nationals brand across regional Western Australia has suffered as a result of Mr Joyce’s actions and he has become a distraction at both Federal and State level.
“My parliamentary colleagues and I have urged Mr Joyce to consider his position as Leader in the best interests of the Federal party and State branches.
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It's very obvious now that the ABC have been driving a push to oust Barnaby Joyce... today they continue on with it...
A former ABC Journalis has this to say...
Journalists were wrong to reveal Barnaby Joyce's affair
Misha Ketchell
It's now beyond question that Barnaby Joyce's affair with his former staffer, Vikki Campion, has set a new benchmark for what is acceptable in invading a politician's privacy in Australia.
The Prime Minister's decision to ban sex between ministers and staffers blows up the old unwritten rule that private lives were off limits to reporters. According to some journalists the new rules could even oblige them to go looking for sexual misconduct. Yet a vital debate, about whether this story should have been reported in the first place, appears to be unresolved.
The leader of the WA Nationals says Barnaby Joyce has damaged the party and needs to quit as federal leader, but he's hit back strongly.
For most of Australia's political history such an idea would have been unthinkable. With a handful of notable exceptions, such as the affair between Jim Cairns and Junie Morosi, journalists and politicians have been united in treating private lives as nobody's business.
Which is not to claim that Joyce's relationship with his former staffer is not of great interest to the public. A recent ReachTEL poll of voters in New England shows 55 per cent think the media was justified in reporting the story.
But the fact people want to be told the story does not establish that publishing is in the public interest. There are lots of things we want to know that remain secret for very good reasons. In deciding whether to report any story, journalists need to answer only one question: is it, overall, to the benefit of the public to publish? In a case like this, that question is complex. It is necessary to weigh the benefits of disclosure against the harm it will cause.
We do need to know some things about the character of our politicians, but really only insofar as it will impact on their ability to do their jobs and deliver on their promises. No matter how big the gap between what a politician does in private and their public beliefs, no matter how much we want to know what they're really like, private lives don't tell us much about how they do their jobs.
So what else is there on the benefit side? The revelations about Joyce's partner's employment as an adviser in various ministerial offices have not yet unearthed a smoking gun. There remains no compelling evidence that Campion was improperly appointed, or profited from the affair. Ditto the revelations about a businessman who paid for Joyce's accommodation while he was in Canberra. The question of whether there has been some impropriety is a legitimate story. But there was no proof of wrongdoing at the time of the original publication, and the ongoing search for impropriety can't be used to justify the Daily Telegraph's decision to reveal the relationship in the way that it did.
It's also been claimed that Joyce's personal issues have impacted on his work performance, but surely the best evidence for how well he is going in his job is to be found in looking at what he does in his public role, not by trawling through his private life.
In truth, despite Joyce's misjudgement, there is not a whole lot to benefit the public interest in reporting this story.
So what about the harm? That's obvious and extreme. There is serious harm and emotional anguish for Barnaby Joyce and Campion and his family members. There is also harm to the public interest in that this type of reporting of private lives may deter potentially good candidates from entering politics in future. Yet we know personal life failings have very little impact on someone's ability to fill high public office. As Graham Richardson has helpfully pointed out, if private lives were fair game in the 1980s Bob Hawke would never have been PM.
At the end of the day, the benefits of reporting this story are pretty low and the harm great. The journalists who declined to look into the rumours have justified qualms.
America went through a similar pivotal moment in the 1980s when US presidential candidate Gary Hart was brought down by a report in The Miami Herald about his affair with Donna Rice. The story followed a press conference at which Hart had unwisely challenged reporters interested in his private life to follow him around. According to the Matt Bai, writing in The New York Times, the ensuing scandal sank the career of a "brilliant and serious man" and marked a moment when "the walls between the public and private lives of candidates, between politics and celebrity, came tumbling down forever".
In a recent article in Meanjin magazine, the academic and media commentator Tim Dunlop argued that the rules have changed in the era of digital media, where the spread of information is impossibly swift and journalists cannot presume to make decisions on behalf of audience without being transparent. He says journalists should let audiences into their world and discuss with them the decisions they are making. He's right, up to a point, but at the end of the day journalists have to make hard decisions, and sometimes the right thing to do won't be what the audience wants.
If we do accept that there is a boundary that should be drawn between what is in the public interest and what is merely interesting to the public, journalists are the ones who will need to draw it. And in the case of Barnaby Joyce we drew it in the wrong place.
Misha Ketchell is editor of The Conversation and was previously a journalist at the ABC, Crikey and The Age.
A former ABC Journalis has this to say...
Journalists were wrong to reveal Barnaby Joyce's affair
Misha Ketchell
It's now beyond question that Barnaby Joyce's affair with his former staffer, Vikki Campion, has set a new benchmark for what is acceptable in invading a politician's privacy in Australia.
The Prime Minister's decision to ban sex between ministers and staffers blows up the old unwritten rule that private lives were off limits to reporters. According to some journalists the new rules could even oblige them to go looking for sexual misconduct. Yet a vital debate, about whether this story should have been reported in the first place, appears to be unresolved.
The leader of the WA Nationals says Barnaby Joyce has damaged the party and needs to quit as federal leader, but he's hit back strongly.
For most of Australia's political history such an idea would have been unthinkable. With a handful of notable exceptions, such as the affair between Jim Cairns and Junie Morosi, journalists and politicians have been united in treating private lives as nobody's business.
Which is not to claim that Joyce's relationship with his former staffer is not of great interest to the public. A recent ReachTEL poll of voters in New England shows 55 per cent think the media was justified in reporting the story.
But the fact people want to be told the story does not establish that publishing is in the public interest. There are lots of things we want to know that remain secret for very good reasons. In deciding whether to report any story, journalists need to answer only one question: is it, overall, to the benefit of the public to publish? In a case like this, that question is complex. It is necessary to weigh the benefits of disclosure against the harm it will cause.
We do need to know some things about the character of our politicians, but really only insofar as it will impact on their ability to do their jobs and deliver on their promises. No matter how big the gap between what a politician does in private and their public beliefs, no matter how much we want to know what they're really like, private lives don't tell us much about how they do their jobs.
So what else is there on the benefit side? The revelations about Joyce's partner's employment as an adviser in various ministerial offices have not yet unearthed a smoking gun. There remains no compelling evidence that Campion was improperly appointed, or profited from the affair. Ditto the revelations about a businessman who paid for Joyce's accommodation while he was in Canberra. The question of whether there has been some impropriety is a legitimate story. But there was no proof of wrongdoing at the time of the original publication, and the ongoing search for impropriety can't be used to justify the Daily Telegraph's decision to reveal the relationship in the way that it did.
It's also been claimed that Joyce's personal issues have impacted on his work performance, but surely the best evidence for how well he is going in his job is to be found in looking at what he does in his public role, not by trawling through his private life.
In truth, despite Joyce's misjudgement, there is not a whole lot to benefit the public interest in reporting this story.
So what about the harm? That's obvious and extreme. There is serious harm and emotional anguish for Barnaby Joyce and Campion and his family members. There is also harm to the public interest in that this type of reporting of private lives may deter potentially good candidates from entering politics in future. Yet we know personal life failings have very little impact on someone's ability to fill high public office. As Graham Richardson has helpfully pointed out, if private lives were fair game in the 1980s Bob Hawke would never have been PM.
At the end of the day, the benefits of reporting this story are pretty low and the harm great. The journalists who declined to look into the rumours have justified qualms.
America went through a similar pivotal moment in the 1980s when US presidential candidate Gary Hart was brought down by a report in The Miami Herald about his affair with Donna Rice. The story followed a press conference at which Hart had unwisely challenged reporters interested in his private life to follow him around. According to the Matt Bai, writing in The New York Times, the ensuing scandal sank the career of a "brilliant and serious man" and marked a moment when "the walls between the public and private lives of candidates, between politics and celebrity, came tumbling down forever".
In a recent article in Meanjin magazine, the academic and media commentator Tim Dunlop argued that the rules have changed in the era of digital media, where the spread of information is impossibly swift and journalists cannot presume to make decisions on behalf of audience without being transparent. He says journalists should let audiences into their world and discuss with them the decisions they are making. He's right, up to a point, but at the end of the day journalists have to make hard decisions, and sometimes the right thing to do won't be what the audience wants.
If we do accept that there is a boundary that should be drawn between what is in the public interest and what is merely interesting to the public, journalists are the ones who will need to draw it. And in the case of Barnaby Joyce we drew it in the wrong place.
Misha Ketchell is editor of The Conversation and was previously a journalist at the ABC, Crikey and The Age.
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The ABC last night once again attacked Joyce and his credibility with lies...
This is how I and Cormann saw the same events the ABC lied about.
Personally I hope the ALP and their media wing the ABC fail...
This is how I and Cormann saw the same events the ABC lied about.
The ABC reported it as Joyce stirring the pot when he said he wouldn't. Well I know what he said and what Turnbull said he'd be doing on his break, and he's been doing exactly what he said he would and Cormann agrees with that.Senator Cormann backed the Nationals leader's latest explanation and decision to rehash the matter in a public comments, saying he was dealing with personal matters that had "spilled into the professional sphere" and was attempting to inject some order into the ongoing saga.
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"I think it is about Barnaby wanting to move on and part of him, his family, and his new partner and the government being able to move on is him putting some order into his personal affairs and that is what he is doing," Senator Cormann said on Thursday morning.
He said it was difficult to know how a relationship progressed and added: "I'm not in a position to explain what happened when and what the status was when. There's only one person who can explain that and that is Barnaby and I think he's been transparent in relation to all these matters and he's made very clear that while Ms Campion worked for him she was not his partner."
Senator Cormann said Mr Joyce had "made a significant contribution to Australia over the past and I'm confident that he will make a significant contribution into the future".
Personally I hope the ALP and their media wing the ABC fail...
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