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Subatomic Discovery That Physicists Considered Keeping Secret

Post by Super Nova » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:15 pm

Once the gene is out of the bottle there is no going back. This is not unexpected for me. We will push this to its natural conclusion where the most energetic explosion is an antimatter-matter bomb... it will take some time.

No military use, BS... just not today

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Subatomic Discovery That Physicists Considered Keeping Secret

Tiny particles called bottom quarks could fuse together in a shockingly powerful reaction.

A pair of physicists announced the discovery of a subatomic event so powerful that the researchers wondered if it was too dangerous to make public.
The explosive event? The duo showed that two tiny particles known as bottom quarks could theoretically fuse together in a powerful flash. The result: a larger subatomic particle, a second, spare particle known as a nucleon, and a whole mess of energy spilling out into the universe. This "quarksplosion" would be an even more powerful subatomic analog of the individual nuclear fusion reactions that take place in the cores of hydrogen bombs.
Quarks are tiny particles that are usually found clinging together to make up the neutrons and protons inside atoms. They come in six versions or "flavors": up, down, top, bottom, strange and charm.


Energetic events at the subatomic level are measured in megaelectronvolts (MeV), and when two bottom quarks fuse, the physicists found, they produce a whopping 138 MeV. That's about eight times more powerful than one of the individual nuclear fusion events that takes place in hydrogen bombs (a full-scale bomb blast consists of billions of these events). H-bombs fuse together tiny hydrogen nuclei known as deuterons and tritons to create helium nuclei, along with the most powerful explosions in the human arsenal. But each of those individual reactions inside the bombs releases only about 18 MeV, according to the Nuclear Weapon Archive, a website devoted to collecting research and data about nuclear weapons. That’s far less than the fusing bottom quarks’ 138 MeV. [Beyond Higgs: 5 Elusive Particles That May Lurk in the Universe]
"I must admit that when I first realized that such a reaction was possible, I was scared," co-researcher Marek Karliner of Tel Aviv University in Israel told Live Science. "But, luckily, it is a one-trick pony."

As powerful as fusion reactions are, a single instance of fusion on its own isn't at all dangerous. Hydrogen bombs derive their enormous power from chain reactions — the cascading fusion of lots and lots of nuclei all at once.
Karliner and Jonathan Rosner, of the University of Chicago, determined that such a chain reaction wouldn't be possible with bottom quarks, and, before publishing, privately shared their insight with colleagues, who agreed.
"If I thought for a microsecond that this had any military applications, I would not have published it," Karliner said.
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Re: Subatomic Discovery That Physicists Considered Keeping Secret

Post by Bobby » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:56 pm

Anti-matter can't be stored anywhere.

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Post by Super Nova » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:43 pm

Sir Bobby wrote:Anti-matter can't be stored anywhere.
Not true, antimatter can be stored in a magnetic field if it is a charged particle.

Atoms of antimatter have been trapped and stored for the first time by the ALPHA collaboration, an international team of scientists working at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research near Geneva, Switzerland. Scientists from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the University of California at Berkeley have made key contributions to the ongoing international effort.

2010 article.

http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2010/11/17/antimatter-atoms/
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Post by Bobby » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:20 pm

Super Nova wrote:
Sir Bobby wrote:Anti-matter can't be stored anywhere.
Not true, antimatter can be stored in a magnetic field if it is a charged particle.

Atoms of antimatter have been trapped and stored for the first time by the ALPHA collaboration, an international team of scientists working at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research near Geneva, Switzerland. Scientists from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the University of California at Berkeley have made key contributions to the ongoing international effort.

2010 article.

http://newscenter.lbl.gov/2010/11/17/antimatter-atoms/
Yes - a few atoms for 172 milliseconds.

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Post by Super Nova » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:46 pm

But you said.

Anti-matter can't be stored anywhere.

I said it is NOT TRUE.

I can be stored somewhere. :mrgreen:

But we have only stored very little and not for very long. First steps though.

“If you add up all the antimatter we have made in more than 30 years of antimatter physics here at CERN, and if you were very generous, you might get 10 billionths of a gram. Even if that exploded on your fingertip it would be no more dangerous than lighting a match.”

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Post by Bobby » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:56 pm

Hi Super Nova,
an anti-matter drive for a space ship is what everyone wants.
Unfortunately it's too hard to make & too hard to store it.
It could never be used unless it could be easily made & used immediately.

It is the most powerful substance possible in terms of mass versus energy.

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Post by Super Nova » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:58 pm

Sir Bobby wrote:Hi Super Nova,
an anti-matter drive for a space ship is what everyone wants.
Unfortunately it's too hard to make & too hard to store it.
It could never be used unless it could be easily made & used immediately.

It is the most powerful substance possible in terms of mass versus energy.
Yes but to make it costs more energy than it returns. Good for a bomb, not sure about other uses.
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Post by Bobby » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:27 am

Super Nova wrote:
Sir Bobby wrote:Hi Super Nova,
an anti-matter drive for a space ship is what everyone wants.
Unfortunately it's too hard to make & too hard to store it.
It could never be used unless it could be easily made & used immediately.

It is the most powerful substance possible in terms of mass versus energy.
Yes but to make it costs more energy than it returns. Good for a bomb, not sure about other uses.
Yes - unless someone figures out an easy way to make it that requires little or no energy
then it's useless in any practical application.
Spaceships will never achieve near light speeds without it.
A chemical energy rocket could never approach even 10% of the speed of light -
the mathematics don't add up to do it.
The fuel tanks become as big as the Earth and take too much energy to move them.

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Re: Subatomic Discovery That Physicists Considered Keeping Secret

Post by Super Nova » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:34 am

Agree.

We are only at the beginning of understanding our universe, think 100 years. There is still hope .......
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Re: Subatomic Discovery That Physicists Considered Keeping Secret

Post by Bobby » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:52 pm

Super Nova wrote:Agree.

We are only at the beginning of understanding our universe, think 100 years. There is still hope .......
Maybe - but perhaps we've already found out most practical applications of science?

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