Unemployment

[Rorschach]

OUTLAW YOGI

So, what is an extreme right winger? What political views make you think some people are this? List them, as I would be very interested to know.

there are many things. For starters they have an adherence to small govt., low taxes, closed borders and protectionism, usually opposed to the social justice policies such as unemployment benefits and minimum wages etc. You don't have to be a bible basher to believe in these things

I don't believe in any of that stuff you have stated. However, I would NEVER EVER vote for the ALP/Socialist Party. What I earn is MINE not yours . I expect ME to earn a living and make ends meet, not The Government.

EVERYBODY can get a JOB, if they put their mind to it and NOT rely on hand outs, get themselves out of the BOG that IS Government welfare!

IF you can't find a job in your "preferred" location or industry .... go elsewhere, stop being so PRECIOUS (poor me, I have to move to earn money) ... apply to join the Army, Airforce or Navy .... I wonder whether they have a "waiting list" ......

THINK you lot who are either unemployed or under-employed.

Kids who are currently at Uni are also very unlikely to get a JOB once they graduate.

Being 50+ is NOT an excuse ... you are probably too old and set in your ways for the JOB you felt you were good at but ....... TRY something else ... go ON. Life doesn't end at 50 because nobody wants you .... get out there and try .........

I am lucky that I retired way back and I don't rely on Government handouts ....

you're contradicting yourself. First you say you don't believe in any of the stuff I listed, then you proceeded to list a whole raft of stuff that falls under the headings i listed.

And you are wrong. Currently there are at any one time about 100 000 jobs available in the current Australian market, there are about 800 000 unemployed. No amount of wishful thinking will provide jobs for everyone. If you think most of the unemployed are doing so because they expect to make a living off govt. handouts, then I suggest you try it. No one makes a living off it. At best you barely scrape by.

A few years ago I managed to save/bank $1000 while on the dole ... then took a fruit picking job (piece work - paid by per half tonne) with low pay and a lack of fruit, resulting in earning the same as the dole, from which I had to buy fuel and car parts to keep the job, so ultimately was worse off working than bludging. When the work/fruit ran out 5 months later, I was in debt (to my father).

Several years prior to that I got sacked (from a farm earning wages, aprox $500 per week) for pushing a Swiss bloke's face in the mud when he stole my rain coat on a rainy day. I didn't want to go on the dole because it gives little hitlers the right to tell me what to do, which is waste time on pointless errands and accruing meaningless certificates. So I went to my bush property and lived under a blue tarp, surviving off feral fruits and wild animals. When I needed money I dragged scrap metal out of the bush and cashed it in at scrap yards.

Currently I'm doing a job so unpopular (picking citrus - $100 per half tonne & lots of thorns) they have to lure backpackers with an extra year's (working holiday) visa so the industry doesn't collapse. 60km away is the welfare capital of Kweensland (Bundaberg) - a town (provincial city) full of people on speed/ice who wouldn't work if you jammed a cattle prod up their date.

JS, you're right that wishful thinking won't solve the situation, but a resourceful person in a place with limited or no job prospects makes their own.
Take me for example, doing a job I don't particularly like - a means to and ends ... when the jobs come up I do a bit of bull dozing too - also a means to an end. What I really want to do is mine the gold in the hills around my property. I have an illegal gun dealer sabotaging equipment on my block (pulled bearing out of truck air brake valve for example), poisoning my dogs, sending police for non existent dope crops, ect ect ect ... because he hides his stolen guns in the old gold mines ... hasn't stopped me though, I've renewed my fossicking licence and just bought a better metal detector.

The key word here is "initiative" matey.

[Rorschach]

NEFERTI

The problem with some people is that, IF they get "retrenched" (nobody gets the sack these days) they immediately go to Centrelink, looking for a hand out. If you are living pay-day-to-pay-day you have over extended yourself. Cut down on costs or not get into "credit" in the first instance.

Centrelink doesn't have JOBS ... you need to check online or the local newspaper and apply for any job you can ... keep applying until you crack it.

Life was never meant to be easy, as I well know. I arrived in Canberra in January 1981 with $300 in a savings account and a 5 year old daughter. After settling in, I found a job and started saving for a deposit on a house. I am still in the house I bought in 1983 and had it paid off by 1996*. It was NOT easy and I remember going to the Butcher and asking for 3 sausages (1 for her and 2 for me). I haven't had sausages and mash since those days. We survived. NOBODY gave me a break, I went out and found one all by myself!

* I did NOT get any money (furniture or otherwise) from my ex husband. He did pay $140 a month in child support until she was 16. He should have paid until she finished Uni but I didn't quibble about it. Shit happens.

[Rorschach]

JOHNSMITH

The problem with some people is that, IF they get "retrenched" (nobody gets the sack these days) they immediately go to Centrelink, looking for a hand out. If you are living pay-day-to-pay-day you have over extended yourself. Cut down on costs or not get into "credit" in the first instance.

firstly, there are a lot of people that live pay day to pay day. They cannot afford anything else because rents are so high and minimum wage is quite low for our cost of living.

Secondly, you do not get the dole as soon as you are retrenched UNLESS you have no money. Ask Booby how much they gave him when he was unemployed for 10 months.

[Rorschach]

BLACK ORCHID

Most jobs don't need much "experience", just the gift of the gab to get your foot in the door. Pump yourself up! Most guys are capable of bragging without blinking an eye. Anything would be better for the soul than getting Unemployment Benefits, surely.

Surely you aren't serious. Most jobs don't need much experience? For a start you have to go through a series of interviews these days (4 or even more) then you need to pay $200 or more for a medical. Others have group interviews where many groups are seen and, if you are lucky, you progress to the next stage.

Pumping yourself up and bragging wouldn't even get you beyond stage one.

[Rorschach]

The problem with some people is that, IF they get "retrenched" (nobody gets the sack these days) they immediately go to Centrelink, looking for a hand out. Nope.... if you get retrenched/made redundant you cant sign up straight away, if you get redundancy you can look forward to trying to hold on for 12 more months without any money coming in. If you are living pay-day-to-pay-day you have over extended yourself. Cut down on costs or not get into "credit" in the first instance. Yes, get used to living below the poverty line and begging for charity.

Centrelink doesn't have JOBS True... who said they did? You are expected to be assigned to an NGO who do nothing to help you for the first 12 months except to make sure you are fulfilling your responsibilities of looking for work and applying for the right amount of jobs a fortnight. ... you need to check online or the local newspaper and apply for any job you can ... keep applying until you crack it. And keep applying and keep applying and get no feedback or even the courtesy to tell you you didn't get the job etc... 770,000 UNEMPLOYED vs 150,000 jobs in Australia remember... that's 620,000 people who are entitled to be on the NEWSTART Poverty Allowance.

Life was never meant to be easy, as I well know. Just you eh... I arrived in Canberra in January 1981 with $300 in a savings account and a 5 year old daughter. After settling in, I found a job and started saving for a deposit on a house. I am still in the house I bought in 1983 and had it paid off by 1996*. It was NOT easy and I remember going to the Butcher and asking for 3 sausages (1 for her and 2 for me). I haven't had sausages and mash since those days. We survived. NOBODY gave me a break, I went out and found one all by myself! Lucky you 620,000 Australians do not have a job to be lucky enough to get because one doesn't exist.... let me know when you get it and I can stop repeating myself.

* I did NOT get any money (furniture or otherwise) from my ex husband. He did pay $140 a month in child support until she was 16. He should have paid until she finished Uni but I didn't quibble about it. Shit happens. Don't get divorced and don't get pregnant... your choice... meanwhile there are 620,000 Australians male and female with and without families that do not have a job to even apply for and 1,000,000 underemployed just keeping their heads above water.

[Rorschach]

Now its up to date Nef...
Even people on my ignore list are included...
Mods take note... no crap about ask me nicely or any sign of personal bias.

[Black Orchid]

I don't suppose that you have happened to notice the name of this sub-forum?

Off Topic

[Rorschach]

yes I noticed....
your point would be what?
nef shouldn't have started it here?

I asked you people nicely to move the stuff before nef started it...
If you like you can now move it to politics...
Nef may have thought Unemployment wasn't political.

So like I asked... what is your point?

[Neferti]

yes I noticed....
your point would be what?
nef shouldn't have started it here?

I asked you people nicely to move the stuff before nef started it...
If you like you can now move it to politics...
Nef may have thought Unemployment wasn't political.

So like I asked... what is your point?

Sorry, Rorschach. My fault!

However, conversations do tend to go "off topic" in every thread on all Forums, this seems to be "normal". In real life, people don't usually stay "on topic" and when somebody says something that twigs a memory of something, they tend to interrupt and ........ well you know. Human nature.

Anyway, NOW we have an thread on UNEMPLOYMENT.

As I think of resolutions to the problem, I shall post what I think. I am allowed to have an opinion, aren't I?

[cods]

s I think of resolutions to the problem, I shall post what I think. I am allowed to have an opinion, aren't I?




only if it agrees with "cranky pants"