Cutting the fat

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annielaurie
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Re: Cutting the fat

Post by annielaurie » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:32 pm

Okay, here I have found an archived article that addresses your question about
the Pres going ahead on healthcare without the endorsement of the Repubs (GOP)


White House may push through health care without Republicans

19 August/2009

Democrats say they have not given up on a bipartisan plan
Democrats may use tactic that requires only 51 votes to pass
GOP could call move a power play, accuse Dems of failing at bipartisanship
If Democrats go it alone, public health insurance likely to be back on the table
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Obama administration is looking hard at pushing through a health care reform bill without Republican backing, top Democrats close to the White House have told CNN.

Democrats say Republicans, particularly Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley, aren't serious about striking a deal.

The Democratic majority in the Senate has been stymied in the health care debate by Republicans and conservative Democrats, leaving it short of the 60-vote "filibuster-proof" margin needed to pass the bill.

Democratic success could depend on an obscure tactic called reconciliation, a type of budget maneuver that requires only a simple majority - 51 votes - to pass.

Congressional Democrats authorized the maneuver specifically for health care reform legislation during the debate over the 2010 budget, which passed in April. Watch an explanation of the tactic »

One top Senate Republican warned at the time that using reconciliation to pass such a measure would be "like a declaration of war."

Going it alone could be risky for Democrats, not because they couldn't raise the votes, but because Republicans could cast it as a power play and accuse them of failing to win bipartisan support. A Quinnipiac University survey released two weeks ago showed that 59 percent of registered voters nationwide oppose passage of health care legislation if the bill fails to win bipartisan support ...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/19/ ... index.html
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Re: Cutting the fat

Post by JWFrogen » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:50 pm

Jovial Monk will bankrupt the fat bank.

Lefteee

Re: Cutting the fat

Post by Lefteee » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:57 pm

As a matter of interest Annie, how many ordinary people in the US do you think are strongly opposed to universal healthcare on the premise that it represents "evil socialism"?

It has existed for a long time here but few people would really regard it as socialism but just something that makes sense - you look after your people.

For the record, I consider myself a socialist (though that is such a broad term you could define anything by it really).

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Re: Cutting the fat

Post by JWFrogen » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:03 pm

Lefteee wrote:As a matter of interest Annie, how many ordinary people in the US do you think are strongly opposed to universal healthcare on the premise that it represents "evil socialism"?.
I have done extensive research, unfortunately I was drunk at that time so have no results.

Still, we have good health care here, I would recommend it there, but everyone there knows I am a drunk who fought so bravely I saved American democracy.

I have not idea what the point of this post is, but enjoy and remember to go to the lobby for popcorn and Mike and Ikes.

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Re: Cutting the fat

Post by JWFrogen » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:05 pm

As for fat people, we need to preserve this precious resource.

We may need the fuel.

Lefteee

Re: Cutting the fat

Post by Lefteee » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:19 pm

I thought the doctor told you not to drink Frogen.

Thank God he hasn't told me that yet.

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Re: Cutting the fat

Post by JWFrogen » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:29 pm

Lefteee wrote:I thought the doctor told you not to drink Frogen.

Thank God he hasn't told me that yet.

If the doctor told you you are fat I am drilling for oil.

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Re: Cutting the fat

Post by annielaurie » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:31 pm

Lefteee wrote: As a matter of interest Annie, how many ordinary people in the US do you think are strongly opposed to universal healthcare on the premise that it represents "evil socialism"?

It has existed for a long time here but few people would really regard it as socialism but just something that makes sense - you look after your people.

For the record, I consider myself a socialist (though that is such a broad term you could define anything by it really).
Hmm Lefteee, I think at the moment as it stands now, about 40% of Americans are against Obama Care (the plan I posted earlier in the thread), and this is not because they have actually thought about it rationally!

They are scared of it. They are scared because of the uproar caused by the Repubs in the media and internet, trying to turn folks away from Obama's sensible plan with dire warnings of socialism and "government death panels" that will decide which seniors live and who dies!

The death panel scare has got to be the most rediculous nonsense of all - we already have death panels, and they are called the insurance companies! - the idea was started by that blabbermouth airhead from Alaska, former-governer Sarah Palin - who was Republican Senator John McCain's choice for Vice-Pres in the elections last year!

Well, Palin never shuts up, she's crazy! She's a whacko evangelical-christer-fundie who hates science - she's a religious right-wing bible-thumper - she has no education or law degree to qualify her for any kind of high-level office - and most definitely not the White House - her personal-political life is muddled with rumor and melodrama - she quit her position as Governer of Alaska 18 months early - many think she is planning to run against Obama for Pres in 2012 - and nobody with a brain in their head would even consider her for anything, much less President!

Scary as hell, and if she gets anywhere near the White House, I am moving to Mars ...

I consider myself a "socialist" as well, if it comes down to that - and I couldn't agree more! - it's about going with what is sensible, and looking after our own ...
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Lefteee

Re: Cutting the fat

Post by Lefteee » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:43 pm

I consider myself a "socialist" as well, if it comes down to that - and I couldn't agree more! - it's about going with what is sensible, and looking after our own ...'

Onya Annie!! We're on the same page!!

Lefteee

Re: Cutting the fat

Post by Lefteee » Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:52 pm

Hmm. Similar situation here. Not with healthcare but rather that people in general have lost touch with the idea of public purpose.

Individual achievement can be a great thing but our ability to work collectively is one the reasons we have gone from naked ape to dominant species.

It saddens me that collective conciousness has faded to such an extent - these days, it's all about me, me, me. The most important thing is the maximisation of individual material self-interest.

Making us more prone to what an economist might call fallacies of composition

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