WHEN will we EVER LEARN?

[mantra]

The baby bonus exacerbated this problem. Too many children were created by irresponsible people just for the cash. It was obvious back when it was introduced that we didn't have the infrastructure in place to cope with the ramification of mass produced children.

not forgetting the paid parental leave a lefty idea..

I think Gillard did the right thing. She introduced a means test and spread the payments out. The baby bonus doesn't exist now in it's original form because Gillard had the guts to change it. Because she wasn't a "mother" - she was condemned by all the bludgers for this move.

why should we have infrastructure available for people having children???? may as well say every young couple should be entitled to a 5 bedroom house to accommodate the family they may have..

no way...... we have made it so easy for single girls to get pregnant and live very comfortably on welfare ... she could even stay on it until the child was an adult. until recently...

Cods - you shouldn't blame single mothers for this problem. If your husband had left you - or you had discarded him - then you would know that it's not that easy when you haven't got someone to share the hard yards.

I for one have a granddaughter who already has two children to two different fathers..second relationship up the kyber...shes only 31 so plenty of time for more relationships..and she had both children whilst on welfare..... she thankfully has a job now.....but who knows whats down the track.. and she knows centrelink is her safetynet.. doesnt she?.... and so do they all...

I would be ecstatic that she had found a permanent job - they are scarce these days. She would get paid for all her days off. A good proportion of the jobs offered today are casual. Permanent jobs used to be a given. Now if an employee gets sick - they're stuffed, unless they have someone who will look after them.

You can understand how the homeless feel. They haven't got anyone who cares about them.

[cods]

The baby bonus exacerbated this problem. Too many children were created by irresponsible people just for the cash. It was obvious back when it was introduced that we didn't have the infrastructure in place to cope with the ramification of mass produced children.

not forgetting the paid parental leave a lefty idea..

I think Gillard did the right thing. She introduced a means test and spread the payments out. The baby bonus doesn't exist now in it's original form because Gillard had the guts to change it. Because she wasn't a "mother" - she was condemned by all the bludgers for this move.

I disagree mantra it makes people WEAK it makes them dependent...it makes them irresponsible..

why should we have infrastructure available for people having children???? may as well say every young couple should be entitled to a 5 bedroom house to accommodate the family they may have..

no way...... we have made it so easy for single girls to get pregnant and live very comfortably on welfare ... she could even stay on it until the child was an adult. until recently...

Cods - you shouldn't blame single mothers for this problem. If your husband had left you - or you had discarded him - then you would know that it's not that easy when you haven't got someone to share the hard yards.


mantra most didnt have husbands... andin my g.daughters case with the first one they didnt even live together...where have you been mantra.. our adoption levels dropped off because it is in their best interest to keep the child.. even though half the time they dump them on someon else..

I for one have a granddaughter who already has two children to two different fathers..second relationship up the kyber...shes only 31 so plenty of time for more relationships..and she had both children whilst on welfare..... she thankfully has a job now.....but who knows whats down the track.. and she knows centrelink is her safetynet.. doesnt she?.... and so do they all...

I would be ecstatic that she had found a permanent job - they are scarce these days. She would get paid for all her days off. A good proportion of the jobs offered today are casual. Permanent jobs used to be a given. Now if an employee gets sick - they're stuffed, unless they have someone who will look after them.


yes I am thrilled she didnt find the job she worked for it by studying... and well done to her.. but most know working full time and bring up two children isnt for the faint hearted and she isnt well known for keeping her jobs long term..
You can understand how the homeless feel. They haven't got anyone who cares about them.

mantra the homeless have many people caring for them.. where the hell have you been???>..

they are free loaders I will grant you there is a certain percentage that are truly thrown out of their homes or run away..

but an awful lot like living the way they do...put them in a house and they leave it happens all the time...a house is a burden lets face it mantra the homeless have a lot more today than ever before.. even mobile laundries for gods sakes...I am all for it... but dont cry poor me...

a lot of kids leave home because they dont want to obey the rules...


strewth mantra feeling sorry for a group of people doesnt make it go away...no one in this country needs to live on a park bench sorry but we have a huge support system here....

[cods]

sorry double post I didnt colour one of my replies.. I dont know how to cancel a post,..

why is everything so hard at PA...

[cods]

sorry double post I didnt colour one of my replies.. I dont know how to cancel a post,..

why is everything so hard at PA...

if anyone can remove the first post.. please do so..ta

[Black Orchid]

There is a box with an X top right where you can edit/quote etc. The X will delete posts.

[Neferti]

There is a box with an X top right where you can edit/quote etc. The X will delete posts.

Provided you do it in 15 minutes.

[Black Orchid]

There is a box with an X top right where you can edit/quote etc. The X will delete posts.

Provided you do it in 15 minutes.

Well yes. There is that lol

[Black Orchid]

The edit thing works for longer than an hour now. It's been changed.

[Black Orchid]

Like many Australians, Tanya Carmont developed her swimming skills in saltwater.

Many hours were spent gliding through the ocean in the idyllic learning environment of a Sydney rock pool.

She now devotes her time teaching the lifesaving skills synonymous with many Australians' upbringings to refugees who emigrated from Tibet to the northern beaches with no swimming ability.

Her students are an example of the immigrant community members targeted in a push for greater swim safety education programs.

In the recent spate of drownings in NSW, police believe some victims – including foreign students and adults of non-English-speaking backgrounds – had hindered swimming abilities.

Among them was a Nepalese 25-year-old swept to his death in the Kangaroo Valley on Boxing Day when he waded into a river in waist-deep water, and a 56-year-old man who entered the surf at an unpatrolled South Coast beach despite not being a strong swimmer.

The Royal Life Saving Society says it is finding the children of immigrants are being affected by their parents' inability to swim after growing up in a culture or landlocked countries where water safety was non-existent.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/push-to-insti ... tld9g.html

Maybe as well as speaking and/or learning English before you are allowed to migrate to Australia water safety and swimming lessons should be introduced as a strict criteria too.

[cods]

BO all my grandkids born in Canberra had swimming lessons from and early age...we live far from water.... its just something their mums and dad wanted them to know...

maybe its time to tell people coming here how dangerous the place is....

if they were heading to Kenya they would be warned of the wild animals and how they are protected.... I am sure...

if you go to Bali you get warned about drugs..

why not tell them before they sign up.. we expect you to have your children taught to swim..... out oceans are dangerous.