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Re: Levitate this

Post by AnaTom » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:10 pm

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Super Nova wrote:
AnaTom wrote:.What the measure of magnetic force people. You cant google it (I think).
I think force is force and magnetomotive force = F

Table here is interesting. Unit of measure I think is your choice but is can be measured in newtons or various ways in relation to field and electrical units.

http://www.ieeemagnetics.org/index.php? ... Itemid=107
Im not sure, but I think all this is Gauss related, its attractive qualities. Im thinking more in terms of 'horsepower'. What Im thinking is they cant measure it yet, or some of its features, or something. Thats all.

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Re: Levitate this

Post by Super Nova » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:11 pm

AnaTom wrote:
Rorschach wrote:Air is a mixture of gases the space shuttle is a mixture of solids.
Yet a gravity wave can cause a fluctuation in the atmosphere, say solar winds, and yet pass right through the shuttle with no effect.

Weird?

Must be a Mass problem. But which physics do we chose? the defiant ones, or the ones that add up on chalk?

Presumably, the new gravity engine must gather mass equivalent to the shuttle to move it. OR, does simply grabbing traction on a few particles mean it can creep along at speed adequate?
No. A gravity wave has no impact on the atmosphere. It has no effect on anything. It just distorts space and we only just discovered one recently and that was due to a huge event, I think it was black holes merging or similar. A gravity wave doesn't cause fluctuations in anything.

A solar wind is different. It is high energy high speed particles emitted from the sun. The charged particles are redirected to the poles by our magnetic protection of our magnetosphere. The shuttle is in low orbit and has some protection. What it is not protected from is gamma radiation as these are no charge so no protection.
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Re: Levitate this

Post by Super Nova » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:13 pm

AnaTom wrote:.
Super Nova wrote:
AnaTom wrote:.What the measure of magnetic force people. You cant google it (I think).
I think force is force and magnetomotive force = F

Table here is interesting. Unit of measure I think is your choice but is can be measured in newtons or various ways in relation to field and electrical units.

http://www.ieeemagnetics.org/index.php? ... Itemid=107
Im not sure, but I think all this is Gauss related, its attractive qualities. Im thinking more in terms of 'horsepower'. What Im thinking is they cant measure it yet, or some of its features, or something. Thats all.
They can measure it. Gauss is one unit of measure. It is a well understood area of science. Gravity, while we can model it, we don't really understand yet.
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Re: Levitate this

Post by AnaTom » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:15 pm

Super Nova wrote: A gravity wave doesn't cause fluctuations in anything.

A solar wind is different. It is high energy high speed particles emitted from the sun. The charged particles are redirected to the poles by our magnetic protection of our magnetosphere. The shuttle is in low orbit and has some protection. What it is not protected from is gamma radiation as these are no charge so no protection.
Im not sure there is no effect on anything.

In both cases, the thing in question, the force can either repell or attract with force, or not. Or go right by. And it exists en masse. Therefore, there must be different types of 'gravity', and how it affects things. This is my point.

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Re: Levitate this

Post by AnaTom » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:20 pm

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I dont think the Gauss is the 'horsepower'. They are different.

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Re: Levitate this

Post by Super Nova » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:50 pm

AnaTom wrote:.
I dont think the Gauss is the 'horsepower'. They are different.
I expect in horsepower you mean a measurable force. One gauss corresponds to the magnetic flux density that will induce an electromotive force. So it is used to measure electromotive force... force. Force = horsepower.

Gauss, unit of magnetic induction in the centimetre-gram-second system of physical units. One gauss corresponds to the magnetic flux density that will induce an electromotive force of one abvolt (10-8 volt) in each linear centimetre of a wire moving laterally at one centimetre per second at right angles to a magnetic flux. One gauss corresponds to 10-4 tesla (T), the International System Unit. The gauss is equal to 1 maxwell per square centimetre, or 10−4 weber per square metre. Magnets are rated in gauss. The gauss was named for the German scientist Carl Friedrich Gauss.

I am not aware of different types of gravity. There is only one force for gravity.
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Re: Levitate this

Post by AnaTom » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:56 pm

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Anyway, I sort of got out what I was thinking.

Try this next one.

Lets say there is more than one type of electricity. Lets say its anatomically different. Lets make arrangements, so that we can assemble different types. Now, lets hardwire that to some different metals.

DO we get the same 'magnetism'?

Anatomically speaking.

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Re: Levitate this

Post by Super Nova » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:09 pm

AnaTom wrote:.
Anyway, I sort of got out what I was thinking.

Try this next one.

Lets say there is more than one type of electricity. Lets say its anatomically different. Lets make arrangements, so that we can assemble different types. Now, lets hardwire that to some different metals.

DO we get the same 'magnetism'?

Anatomically speaking.
Well electricity is the movement of electrons. I believe there is only 2 types of electrons in the universe. Matter and Antimatter elections (positron or antielectron). To date tests have found they behave identically and so far this is the case. I read somewhere recently, cannot find the link, that they have managed to suspend antielectrons and bombard them and they so far behave the same. If antimatter behaves differently it will break the symmetry principles and we will need to re-write the basics of our current theories.

There is a link between fields generated by magnetism and those induced by electron flow. They are the same types of fields all though induced by different physical means. So I don't think they would be different fields types. So NO to your questions.
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Re: Levitate this

Post by Super Nova » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:18 pm

Actually, correction, I recall now they suspended anti-hydrogen. The electrons behaved the same when energized and jump levels in the same quanta as normal electron. So they behave the same.
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Re: Levitate this

Post by Rorschach » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:59 am

Gravity attracts it doesn't repel and it if a function of mass.
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