the coming Aboriginal Woe

[AnaTom]

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For the first time in the continents history, the Australian Aborigine is becoming united. This has only happened in the past month or so.

For a long time, the Aborigines were disparate groups, for 40,000 years or so (if you believe that timeframe) and at least since the Egyptians were here. Perhaps those people sent by King Sollomon seeking riches. Look at the mine in QLD, the hieroglyphs in NSW and the corn crops in SA for a few examples.

Anyway, the Aboriginal population was kept separated by law, culture, tradition, myth, religion and marriage, not forgetting distance and time. Only special circumstances and tribal travel brought groups together. Otherwise clans remained in their places, often days of travel from one another as elders planned the next get together. Sometimes for mock border combat, mostly ceremonial, the gatherings brought laughter, joy, storytelling, marriage, song & dance, theatre and feasting to the otherwise solitary tribes. Except for when they were wandering the lawless lands. This went on for many centuries, and is where the Aborigine has great skill, the skill of mythical storytelling and emotion. And dare I say, a genetic remembrance of such. These cultural norms still exists today.

At the time of British settlement, the broadly accepted figure for Aboriginal population was between 800,000 and 1,000,000.
Today in the past month, the Aborigine has found a new public ally, the racist Black Lives Matter movement, the BLM from America. This front could be what the aborigine has never had, unity. And under a foreign flag. This could be the opening phase in a new push to ‘get back their land’. And who’s ultimate aim is to haul the corporate identity known as Australia and or the Crown before international courts, and the United Nations, UN, with tales of Woe. One thing is for sure, they won’t be suing for peace.

Fallen white sympathisers, the aged and influential, young misinformed legal eagles, backward historians and anti-identity enthusiasts are mixed in with the Woe industry, and all know little about our more amiable past.

With their notion of creating a ‘treaty or ‘treatise’ with Australia and constitutional recognition, this well thought out and decades running plan will give them the ultimate wedge in Australian politics and law. The precise legal ground gained by Australia signing or otherwise acknowledging a ‘treatise’, will be all that it takes for the litigious support group to initiate higher action against Australia. Ultimately, current claims of Woe before the UN and others will primarily gain footing for a massive taxpayer funded compensation claim, the likes of which we have never seen. This in turn will fund the next push for getting back their land. Which in the decade or two ahead will become legitimised and normalised by those involved, the media, old flunkies and the supporters of the Aboriginal Industry. And that in turn will cement the false notion that there is or was indeed a ‘war’ against the Aborigine, and that it is still going on.

Don’t expect the legal eagles engaged by the Woe industry to find in favour of our heritage. Expect instead gross acts against that heritage, and the future as it currently sits. As this is an old plan, many of the aged involved will again be the authors of their own demise. Resigned to fate the narcissistic legal fraternity in support of the cause will grab whatever they can from what they see is in the pipeline. They will have been carefully selected by the industry for compliance, belief in the woe, inherent treachery and most of all greed. A key factor to the cause in the near future. These people will sell the country out for a little bit more $. A factor well advanced in other sectors of our society.
But as the world changes, and we see much more aggression as Australian history is subjected to a false, nasty, evil patchover, a more socially violent view will emerge, and normalised. This will serve the divisive motive of the Woe industry. This in turn supporting a more authoritarian future where it is not needed.

As time goes by we can expect the already well overused system of narrative, hyperbolic rhetoric, to increase dramatically as the push gains momentum. The well thought out idea of a treatise and constitutional recognition is not benign. It has a purpose. To fundamentally undermine the bedrock of Australia.

Our leaders and politicians weak and thoughtless, caring little now about the country as we like it, would easily acquiesce if the right temptations, lies and arguments are put before them. They care or know little these days about the true nature of Australia, its history, its inheritance, its future, their place in it or its offspring. Some of them are just too old and decrepit to care, know or recall.

And the legal fraternity that supports this view and the Woe Industry couldn’t care less if they step out of their offices to find UNPOL troops or some other foreign troop telling them which way to go. It is once again the case of the Boomer authoring their own demise. A lot of the Aborigines are involved and/or invested in the resistance.
And let us not forget the new ‘stolen generation’ of the 21st century assembled by Jenny Macklin. In thirty or forty years, this will arise again, for the same old round of hate, resistance and compensation claims.

The Aborigine has waged a war of resistance ever since we got here in 1788. Historians know this. It has never been a war of combat.

And when the Chinese get here, the Aborigine will be kissing us. But will likely be met with the same cold shoulder they’ve seen for a long time. If they survive that invasion.

There Is No War against the Aborigine, only a centuries old resistance movement by the intentional actions of the Aborigine.

[Rorschach]

I doubt they are that much more united than they were when the Aboriginal Tent Embassy was formed.
They are still a disparate group.
This latest load of crap re the RC show's just how out of touch those racist anti-anglo/western morons are. They have the usual idiots there to support them and if Shorten keeps craping on like he's the PM I'm going to permanently shut my TV off.

The problem is that there are a great many aboriginals with chips on their shoulders that are surprised when the rest of us support them... they are the morons that need to get their act together not the rest of us.

I'm sick of the crap that some of us do at the beginning of meetings etc re aboriginal land and traditional owners rubbish... if they want to do that good for them but the rest of us shouldn't have to put up with it.

I'm going to vote NO at the reconcilliation referendum... I'm already reconciled and they are already in the Constitution as Australians... all we need do is take out the stupid parts that already address them individually.

[Neferti]

I'm going to vote NO at the reconcilliation referendum... I'm already reconciled and they are already in the Constitution as Australians... all we need do is take out the stupid parts that already address them individually.

TOTALLY agree, Rorschach. Surely Malcolm won't waste $$$$ on this, would he?

Also, I am INDIGENOUS ... meaning I was BORN HERE (as were my parents, grandparents and great grandparents). None of which found the natives that attractive that they would "lay down with them" and procreate. Thankful about that.

[Rorschach]

Labor will Nef.
Turnbull and the Libs are also promised to hold it.
Both major parties are clueless on this.

The question is how do you get them to listen?

BTW I have no idea what the OP was on about? So, I just put my 2 cents worth re aboriginal issues in.

[Rorschach]

Oh heard this last night.... the Aboriginals want a TREATY.... because...
they feel like a conquered people.

Oh dear...

[Neferti]

Oh heard this last night.... the Aboriginals want a TREATY.... because...
they feel like a conquered people.

Oh dear...

Y.A.W.N. When will they ever learn?

[Rorschach]

Been waiting for the voice of reason on this.... someone to nail the core problem...

Deadbeat parents failed the Don Dale Detention Centre boys
The Australian
12:00AM August 3, 2016
Janet Albrechtsen

A week on, there is still a huge hole in the miserable story about young boys in the Northern Territory’s Don Dale Youth Detention Centre. Four Corners challenged our emotions, asked searching questions and created a furore about who is to blame for the mistreatment of young boys who deserve better. A job well done by the public broadcaster. But not that well done.

The ABC’s documentary Australia’s Shame only scratched the scab from a national wound with far graver, more enduring and complex causes. The shame runs deeper than a detention centre or even a culture within the Territory’s wider detention system and so the Prime Minister’s rushed royal commission promises to be a Band-Aid, at best.

More than a week later, the politics and the hyperbole continue. Many in the media, the law, the medical profession, those at human rights commissions, in politics and indigenous affairs are rushing to name and shame. Witness the confected calls for the Northern Territory government to be sacked. When the PM announced the royal commission, the first question from the media was a pot shot about racism. Witness, too, the politically charged indignation from Labor and various NGOs that more indigenous leaders were not consulted.

And, predictably, there was concentrated pomposity from Australian Human Rights Commission boss Gillian Triggs, who declared breaches of human rights even after her own warning seconds earlier that it would be “foolish” to prejudge these matters as they will be decided by the royal commission. Equally predictable, there has been daily media outrage at the ABC, from Michael Brissenden on AM to Emma ­Alberici on Lateline, hunting for “gotcha” moments against politicians. .And the rent-a-crowd protesters chanting about racism don’t even try to get close to the real issues

Decades of misguided policy have entrenched welfare dependency and promoted symbolism over substance. Apologies and talk of treaties and indigenous recognition suck up more oxygen than the grassroots things like the toxic cycle of welfare dependency; getting indigenous kids to stay in school, not just for one-third of a year but for the entire school year; getting young people into real jobs, not make-believe ones. And then there’s the ­violence and the drug and alcohol abuse.

Speaking to The Australian, Marcia Langton distils simple truths others shy away from. She points to absolute failure of indigenous leadership to speak about personal responsibility.


“Instead of talking about personal agency, these people talk about self-determination. It drowns out any message about personal agency,” she says.

Self-determination means nothing if it is uncoupled from personal responsibility. “The parasitic NGO sector lives off a large population of victims who really need to be told: stop sitting around waiting for handouts,” she says.

Instead, behind closed doors, newly minted “diversity” leaders direct bitter words at scholarship programs that have been fantastically successful in educating indigenous children. Is it the private school education or boarding school or both that offends the chip-on-the-shoulder denigrators? Whatever it is, get over it. These brilliant, engaged and friendly students, some the first in their family to finish high school, many the first to go to university, are setting an example for the younger kids in their families and communities. If indigenous progress is your aim, shouldn’t this path be celebrated rather than denigrated? Will the royal commission explore these cultural and systemic failures by elites that explain why too many indigenous kids are in detention instead of school?

Yes, we have seen a long line of well-meaning, hardworking child advocates, nurses, psychologists, indigenous leaders and, yes, politicians talk about the boys in Don Dale, explain what has gone wrong in detention, how the system needs to change and how they are working on that. But where were, where are the parents of these broken boys? Where are the fathers and mothers? This is the gaping hole in this horribly sad story. That we haven’t heard from the mothers and ­fathers of the boys in Don Dale tells its own story. It’s a story of generational dysfunction that a royal commission into Don Dale won’t fix.

When 97 per cent of children in detention in the Territory are Aboriginal, we should ask about more than just getting rid of that restraint chair and those spit hoods or punishing the guards who struck the young boys, hosed them down with water and subjected them to teargas.

Surely we have to ask about the families of these boys to understand why so many young boys end up in a youth detention centre. We have to ask how they became violent, why so many take drugs, don’t go to school and end up unemployed, why they witness so much violence and dysfunction and end up being victims of the same tragic cycle of despair.

How is it that Dylan Voller, the boy at the centre of the Four Corners episode, had been found guilty of 50 criminal offences before he was sentenced to three years and eight months jail in ­August 2014 at the age of 16? How is it that he was high on ice and drunk? Why did he try to run over a policeman and bash a young man in a hospital carpark during a 24-hour crime spree?

As Langton tells me, “It’s a very complicated issue but taking personal responsibility for raising your kids is a basic norm that has been lost sight of amid the faux outrage.

“What is the first thing you would be saying if you were a real leader? Making a call out to the parents to lift their game,” says Langton, one of our most courageous voices in this complex area.

In the absence of those calls, it’s hardly surprising the wrong kind of behaviour has become normal in many indigenous communities. The most basic norms, caring for your children, taking responsibility for them, have been destroyed. Instead, the wrong kind of behaviour has become normative.

Who is protesting about the breakdown of parenting norms and parental responsibility? And at what point do parents say: “I am going to take responsibility for my kids”, rather than try to lay the blame on others?

It’s true that parenting is one of the hardest things we can do. There’s no rule book and most of us blunder through guided by our own common sense, plenty of advice from others and the love, the unconditional love we feel for our children. The love for a child is different to other kinds of love. It’s a responsible love, exhausting, rewarding, nurturing, a privilege.

The reality is that not every parent is up to the job. We have become so hopeless, so scared of making judgments about other parents, we would rather turn our eyes away from children whose life chances are dashed by dysfunction than ask parents to do the best they can by their child. We seem more at ease making judgments about the owners of mistreated greyhounds than parents who mistreat their kids.Four Corners didn’t explore these questions. Neither will the royal commission. So who will start asking the right questions, the hard questions?

[Rorschach]

Just another few points re the RC...

Mick Gooda’s passion points a finger at why he is unsuited
The Australian
12:00AM August 3, 2016
Chris Merritt
Legal Affairs Editor

Mick Gooda is a decent, honourable man with a reputation for sound leadership of his community. It is extremely unfortunate it now needs to be pointed out that his appointment as co-royal commissioner is a mistake.

Gooda’s innate decency and passionate advocacy for his community were apparent when the disclosure of child abuse in a Northern Territory detention centre moved him to tears.

His passion was admirable but it clearly got the better of him when he called for the Northern Territory government to be sacked.

After viewing the outrageous conduct of detention officers on the ABC’s Four Corners program, many might share Gooda’s assessment, but that moment of passion means it is utterly wrong for him to preside over what is supposed to be an impartial search for the truth about who is to blame.

Gooda has already made up his mind, and pointed the ­finger at the Territory government. If the report from the royal commission shares that assessment, how long will it be before Chief Minister Adam Giles points out the obvious: Gooda’s conflict of interest threatens to undermine the credibility of this vitally important royal commission.

His conflict of interest is much clearer than the confected “conflict” that forced Brian Martin to step aside.

It is also far clearer than the circumstances that surrounded Dyson Heydon’s royal commission into union corruption.

Gooda’s remarks of just a few days ago were cogent and to the point.

They traverse one of the many possible remedies that are already the talk of the nation.

Yet while he deserves thanks for expressing what many might have been thinking, he cannot present himself to the nation as an impartial royal commissioner.

His appointment is wrong for one other, comparatively minor, reason: it means Malcolm Turnbull is implementing Bill Shorten’s race-based agenda for the royal commission. Shorten fed the beast known as “identity politics” by ­asserting that Aborigines would receive “full justice” only if an Aborigine was appointed co-royal commissioner.

If the day comes when an Australian citizen can receive “full justice” only from people of the same racial background, we have embraced the detestable ethos of apartheid.

On Shorten’s logic, we should all insist on judges of the same ethic background if we are hauled before the courts.

This is the sort of sick thinking that is driving a wedge through society in the US. By endorsing Shorten’s madness, Turnbull has done his bit to ensure this noxious idea takes root in this country.

[AnaTom]

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BTW I have no idea what the OP was on about?

Did you mean me, ?

I'm sure you'll get the drift.

[Outlaw Yogi]

I'm going to vote NO at the reconcilliation referendum...

Depends on the terms used in the referenda for me.
If the question asks should they be recognised as 'Prior inhabitants' I can't dispute it and would likely support it.
But if the is should they be recognised as 'The first Australians' I will vote "No".
I see no reason to put a falsehood in our constitution that will have to be redacted/withdrawn some time in the future.
Considering the time frame in which our constitution was drafted it's a very well thought out and written document.

I'm already reconciled and they are already in the Constitution as Australians... .

Agreed, the 1967 referendum recognising Aboriginals as Australian Citizens and giving them the right to vote is adequate proof AFAIC.