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Neferti
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by Neferti » Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:25 am
Here is Andrew Bolt's say on Turncoat. I agree.
Malcolm Turnbull - you are finished
Malcolm,
You assassinated a Liberal Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, who’d won an election by a huge margin.
You promised to do even better than him.
You then treated the Liberal base like dirt, smashing it with a huge super tax, refusing to speak to conservative journalists, repeatedly humiliating Abbott.
You referred to the colonial settlement of Australia as an “invasion” and even held an end-of-Ramadan meal with known Muslim bigots.
You called an early double dissolution election on the excuse of needing new laws to tackle rogue unions with a building and construction commission, but with the true aim of getting rid of crossbench oppositionists in the Senate.
You went to the election with basically only one policy to sell - a pathetic 10-year promise to cut company tax.
And now look. Almost everything turned to ruin.
You have lost so many seats that you could even be forced into minority government, if pre-polling and Western Australia go against you.
You have, if anything, lost ground in the Senate, which will block most of your plans.
You will be unable to get the numbers to get your building and construction commission through in any joint sitting of parliament.
You have asked for no mandate for real reform, and will have almost no power to undertake any.
Your popularity, already plummeting, will fall further.
There is no way you can seriously claim that this result is better than anything Abbott could have achieved.
Abbott picked up seven seats at the 2010 election and another 15 in the 2013 election. You have lost between 10 and 15 seats and dumped key Liberal values in doing so.
You have been a disaster. You betrayed Tony Abbott and then led the party to humiliation, stripped of both values and honour.
Resign.
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skippy
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by skippy » Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:46 am
Yep. The Abbbott faction will already be counting their numbers.
Turnbull will not last six months.
I wouldn't be surprised if we need to go back to another election.
If the numbers on Insiders this morning play out with the coalition on 72 seats and Labor on 73 the Greeens one and the rest independents I can't see either major side forming a government.
Katter would go with the coalition and the Greens Labor that's 73 Coaltion 74 Labor. But that means they both still need independent support and a speaker.
Too hard.
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Neferti
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by Neferti » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:01 am
skippy wrote:Yep. The Abbbott faction will already be counting their numbers.
Turnbull will not last six months.
I wouldn't be surprised if we need to go back to another election.
If the numbers on Insiders this morning play out with the coalition on 72 seats and Labor on 73 the Greeens one and the rest independents I can't see either major side forming a government.
Katter would go with the coalition and the Greens Labor that's 73 Coaltion 74 Labor. But that means they both still need independent support and a speaker.
Too hard.
Looks that way. Unworkable. Do we know what is happening in the Senate yet? I know that Pauline and Hinch are now Senators. Hinch claims he has never voted in his life (he was a Kiwi, wasn't he?).
It looks like a real mess to me.
Ah well. Interesting days ahead.
Are they still carrying on about Postal Votes favouring the Libs? I was watching something last night and someone said that that quote goes back to the Olden Days when only well-to-do people owned property or something and couldn't make it to "town" to vote, so did so by post. Doubt it works these days.

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Neferti
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by Neferti » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:06 am
Oh, I noticed that a couple of Electorates (can't recall names) had the Nats beat the sitting Lib Member.

That's Turncoat's fault, not that it matters much .... however, very pointed!
Lots and lots of "rusted on" Liberal voters said (on Bolt's and others pages) that they would NOT vote Liberal because of Turncoat ....
I am still waiting to see how the INFORMAL vote went. We did predict that it would rise.

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skippy
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by skippy » Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:03 pm
Yes I can't wait to see the informal vote.
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mantra
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by mantra » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:49 pm
The last thing this country wants is another election, although it wouldn't surprise me if Labor won outright if it did happen.
Turnbull is "quietly confident" that the postal votes will favour the Coalition and he'll have a majority when they're finally counted.
It seems that all postal votes go originally to the incumbent government prior to going to the AEC for counting. How do we know what the government does to them when they're received? We have got the slackest vote counting practices in the western world.
Why don't they go directly to the AEC? How many hands have played around with these votes - especially the blank ballot papers.
The AEC's focus today, Sunday 3 July, is on the declaration vote exchange. The declaration vote exchange is where the large numbers of absent, interstate, postal and other declaration votes are reconciled, sorted and packaged ready for despatch to the home division from Monday. Only once the declaration votes are received and processed in the home division can the counting of these votes begin. Any counting today will be limited to the small numbers of votes collected by AEC mobile teams.
On Monday, the AEC will continue the process of verifying more than one million postal votes already returned to the AEC so that they can be admitted to the count beginning on Tuesday. The legislation requires that postal votes are included in the count if the vote is received by the Returning Officer within 13 days of election day.
http://www.aec.gov.au/media/media-relea ... 07-03e.htm
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by skippy » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:59 pm
If you look at the AEC WEBSITE AS OF 4.40 pm this afternoon Labor are on 71 seats and the coalition are on 67 with only seven undecided. In other words according to the AEC the best the coalition can get to is 74 and they would have to win every seat left in doubt to do so.
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by mantra » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:22 am
Those seats are still jumping backwards and forwards. Why are we hearing that Labor can't win because they have less primary votes than the Coalition, yet they appear to have more seats in the lower house. In 1998 - Beazley had more primary votes than Howard, but lost because of preferences to the Coalition.
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by AnaTom » Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:04 pm
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Turnbabble bites the dust.
Now, what are the poor hard done by ye-olde demograph gonna do?
Lesson for Abbott:> Stay away from the ME
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by Neferti » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:47 pm
mantra wrote:Those seats are still jumping backwards and forwards. Why are we hearing that Labor can't win because they have less primary votes than the Coalition, yet they appear to have more seats in the lower house. In 1998 - Beazley had more primary votes than Howard, but lost because of preferences to the Coalition.
We are still waiting for the Fat Lady to Sing.

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