Indonesia and their Drug Laws

[Neferti]

I couldn't find a thread about the 2 "Australian" drug traffickers who are about to be no more. So.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/andre ... 7238718698

Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran’s lawyer begs to Indonesian President to focus on humanity of case? And?

What about the last 2 Aussies who were executed for drug offences in Indonesia/Malaysia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlow_and ... _execution

Travelers must realise that IF they get into trouble in a Foreign country, they can't just ring the Australian Embassy and say "I'm in trouble, get me out of it".

Commit a crime in a foreign country and The Australian Government can't do much about it ... except to "appear to ask for clemency". Some countries do still have the Death Penalty. ... I certainly do not agree with it as I doubt it makes any difference to Crime Statistics ... however, IF you commit a crime that attracts the Death Penalty in a country ... you have nobody to blame but yourself.

[mantra]

As harsh as it is - people are given plenty of warning and unfortunately have to suffer the consequences. If our Federal police had given it any thought at the time, they would have waited until the Bali 9 returned to Australia and then arrested and charged them. The parents who are responsible for alerting the police must be suffering. They have been punished for trying to do the right thing.

[Neferti]

As harsh as it is - people are given plenty of warning and unfortunately have to suffer the consequences. If our Federal police had given it any thought at the time, they would have waited until the Bali 9 returned to Australia and then arrested and charged them. The parents who are responsible for alerting the police must be suffering. They have been punished for trying to do the right thing.

Why blame the AFP? These people were arrested in Indonesia, trying to smuggle drugs out of that Country. What has the AFP got to do with Indonesian Customs and/or Legislation, death penalty, etc?

Mantra, you would be the first person to complain if you thought the AFP had anything to do with people "holidaying in Indonesia" and being harassed by Indonesian Police on the AFP say so. That is rubbish. Are you saying it is the Australian Government's problem that idiots travel to Indonesia/Malaysia and attempt to "export" drugs to Australia to kill "our" young and who actually think they are innocent?

Indonesia has the Death Penalty .... FACT.

[mantra]

Why blame the AFP? These people were arrested in Indonesia, trying to smuggle drugs out of that Country. What has the AFP got to do with Indonesian Customs and/or Legislation, death penalty, etc?

Mantra, you would be the first person to complain if you thought the AFP had anything to do with people "holidaying in Indonesia" and being harassed by Indonesian Police on the AFP say so. That is rubbish. Are you saying it is the Australian Government's problem that idiots travel to Indonesia/Malaysia and attempt to "export" drugs to Australia to kill "our" young and who actually think they are innocent?

Indonesia has the Death Penalty .... FACT.

No I'm not saying that, but you might remember that one of the boy's parents knew they were going to bring drugs here, so talked to the police in the hope that they would help stop this happening. Instead the AFP informed the Indonesian military and these kids were caught. That's probably the only route the police could take at the time, but if it weren't for the fact that the parents believed the police could help their son in some way, they might have gotten away with it. We will never know, but the parents must feel terrible.

These foolish young people were responsible for their own fate regardless of parental or police interference. They took a risk and lost.

[Neferti]

No I'm not saying that, but you might remember that one of the boy's parents knew they were going to bring drugs here, so talked to the police in the hope that they would help stop this happening. Instead the AFP informed the Indonesian military and these kids were caught. That's probably the only route the police could take at the time, but if it weren't for the fact that the parents believed the police could help their son in some way, they might have gotten away with it. We will never know, but the parents must feel terrible.

These foolish young people were responsible for their own fate regardless of parental or police interference. They took a risk and lost.

No, Mantra, I didn't know that a parent of one of the guys KNEW that they were planning to IMPORT drugs into Australia. Their kid is in INDONESIA so calling the AFP is rather stupid, isn't it? What AUTHORITY would the
AFP have on people leaving Indonesia? You really believe that the Indonesian Customs wouldn't have found those kids with drugs without OUR AFP alerting them, via the kid's parents dobbing? BULLSHIT.

[mantra]

ou really believe that the Indonesian Customs wouldn't have found those kids with drugs without OUR AFP alerting them, via the kid's parents dobbing? BULLSHIT.

I'm not sure. I assume there's a slim chance that some people do bring drugs here from Indonesia and get away with it.

[Neferti]

ou really believe that the Indonesian Customs wouldn't have found those kids with drugs without OUR AFP alerting them, via the kid's parents dobbing? BULLSHIT.

I'm not sure. I assume there's a slim chance that some people do bring drugs here from Indonesia and get away with it.

Well, instead of blaming the AFP (who can only act on Australian soil) for not "alerting" the Indonesian Authorities by what the parent "informed" .. it is the KIDS who did the deed, served time and now face EXECUTION. Stiff luck. No sympathy, whatsoever. IF they had imported this stuff, just how many of our children would be affected and even died?

[Black Orchid]

The AFP were informed by Scott Rush's father before he/they left Australia. The AFP should have acted before the Bali 9 left Australian soil imo.

Yes, these kids were stupid and made a bad decision. Some were only 17 at the time. Most 17 year olds think they are infallible. Yes, they most likely knew full well what the penalty if caught in Indonesia is.

Whether or not you agree with the death penalty the fact still remains that Indonesia is criticising other countries for wanting to execute Indos yet they won't blink an eye at executing Aussies and they think terrorists and bombers who kill Australians and others should only be given an 18 month jail term (apparently it's ok to set off bombs to kill and maim).

We waste $500 million per year on them in the hope that they won't eventually invade us. That money should stop and it would be better served being invested in our defence force so that we can pick them off by the thousands if they ever do decide to invade.

[Neferti]

The AFP were informed by Scott Rush's father before he/they left Australia. The AFP should have acted before the Bali 9 left Australian soil imo.

I'd forgotten about Scott Rush. Why would the AFP act on something that had yet to happen? The AFP probably told the Indonesian Authorities and they ACTED, viz why Scott is on "death row" over there.

Yes, these kids were stupid and made a bad decision. Some were only 17 at the time. Most 17 year olds think they are infallible. Yes, they most likely knew full well what the penalty if caught in Indonesia is

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Being young and stupid is not a defence. They broke the Law in a Foreign Country. The reap the price of it. Probably with their LIFE.

Whether or not you agree with the death penalty the fact still remains that Indonesia is criticising other countries for wanting to execute Indos yet they won't blink an eye at executing Aussies and they think terrorists and bombers who kill Australians and others should only be given an 18 month jail term (apparently it's ok to set off bombs to kill and maim).

I do NOT agree with Capital Punishment. It (apparently) does not deter people from murdering others. Or trafficking drugs in certain countries where the death penalty applies.

Remember the last Aussies who were hanged in Indonesia/Malaysia for drug trafficking? Barlow and Chambers (1986?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlow_and ... _execution There was another one as well, more recently. Singapore or somewhere?

We waste $500 million per year on them in the hope that they won't eventually invade us. That money should stop and it would be better served being invested in our defence force so that we can pick them off by the thousands if they ever do decide to invade.

Foreign Aid? It should cease or be very much reduced and kept to those areas that really need it. Indonesia doesn't need our aid .... most of it goes to the "government politicians" anyhow, as far as I know.

Australians (and other Countries as well) are extraordinarily generous when it comes to donations for certain "disasters". Our taxpayer dollars would be better served helping our own.

[Black Orchid]

I'd forgotten about Scott Rush. Why would the AFP act on something that had yet to happen? The AFP probably told the Indonesian Authorities and they ACTED, viz why Scott is on "death row" over there.

He isn't on death row he got life.

Our taxpayer dollars would be better served helping our own.

I totally agree.