Should Abbott step down?

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Re: Should Abbott step down?

Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:06 am

mantra wrote:
IQS.RLOW wrote:All they need to do is run adverts reminding everyone how bad the ALP is. Would be cheap to do, just play sound bites from Kev, Gillard, Swan and Shortshiten and the ads will write themselves.
People are getting sick of the government relentlessly blaming Labor for everything that goes wrong. It's time for them to come up with some fresh excuses. Maybe they could start being honest and accept some responsibility for their own mistakes. That would be a novelty.
You sound scared Mantra.

That happens when you are faced with an uncomfortable truth.
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Re: Should Abbott step down?

Post by Rorschach » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:16 pm

Conservative columnists and supporters have joined a chorus of scorn and a number have urged the replacement of his chief of staff, Peta Credlin. As journalists waited for the press conference, one predicted that Abbott could not make it to the next election “based on chats with the Libs”.

Asked whether he had taken advice from Credlin, Abbott said: “I’m just not going to get into this kind of internal navel-gazing.

“I’m really not. I did what I thought was appropriate.
And there lies the problem... :roll:
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Re: Should Abbott step down?

Post by Neferti » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:51 pm

Aussie reckons he has inside information. :rofl He posted over yonder that he had received a phone call and that Julie Bishop will be PM, with Turnbull as Deputy. Check reply # 12 at the link below. Honestly. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: Should Abbott step down?

Post by 5.56 NATO » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:52 pm

He has got to be the most stupid meaningless inconsequential fluffy bunny ever to grace the Internet , long may he amuse us :rofl
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Re: Should Abbott step down?

Post by Rorschach » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:28 am

Andrew Bolt was flabbergasted by the stupidity of Abbott's decision to "Knight" prince Philip.
Paul Sheehan has this to say...
Tony Abbott has much bigger problems than a rogue knight
Date January 28, 2015 - 9:00PM
Paul Sheehan

"I'm determined to learn from all of this," the Prime Minister said of his self-immolating lapse in anointing the Duke of Edinburgh with an Australian knighthood, which compounded the adverse impact of the anachronistic, self-indulgent, zero-upside honours system he introduced in his first year.

Abbott is unlikely to learn from this, other than to become even more cautious and robotic. You cannot learn what you refuse to know. He is a bulldog who will not let go of a course of action which, without an end to his bunker insularity, and a change in his relationship with the electorate, will see him removed either before the next election or at the next election.

His party is already moving. The phones are running hot. They will not turn to the deputy leader, Julie Bishop. It will be Malcolm Turnbull.

The seeds of this unnecessary damage were sown a long time ago. Why did Senator Nick Minchin, the senate opposition leader who engineered Abbott's elevation to the party leadership, step down as senate leader within months of Abbott becoming leader? Minchin would leave politics altogether a year later, for a variety of reasons.

Without Minchin, Abbott would never have been leader. Without Minchin, or the gravitas of a Minchin equivalent, Abbott is not going to survive his present course.

Why has the likeable, knockabout Abbott turned into Gillard II? The public never bought Julia Gillard's robotic prime ministerial persona, or the manner by which she took power, which guaranteed her demise long before it happened.

We all thought the toxic leadership turmoil of Labor's six years in office protected Abbott from an early political death. It still does, but less so now. Australian politics has become conditioned to flux. And electoral survival trumps everything else.

The irony is that, in policy terms, Abbott has been a better leader than the man who Australians want to replace him with: Bill Shorten. The Prime Minister has achieved much despite the scorched-earth majority in the Senate, while Shorten has been rewarded for his empty opportunism. And for being Not Tony.

Abbott can beat Shorten, just as he beat Turnbull, Hockey, Rudd, Gillard, Rudd again, and the global warming lobby, all while being caricatured and underestimated.

But he cannot beat the combination of Robotic Tony and Bill Short-term.

A Coalition government with a clear, cut-through, waffle-free narrative can carry the day at the 2016 election, even if it cannot carry a blocking Senate where power is controlled by one-termers who fluked their way into Parliament on preferences despite tiny primary votes.

Which leads me to Australia Day, when a woman delivered the sort of speech that has been missing from Australia's political leaders: "The global economy is still sluggish, there is still enormous global economic volatility, and our geopolitical environment is very fragile on so many fronts. If all this doesn't constitute a burning platform, I'm not sure what does …

"The policy ambition we've become accustomed to won't be sufficient … We will need a decade of unprecedented policy action by government, and leadership and risk-taking by business … Our politicians across all parties have to prepare the community for the enormous, social and economic change that must take place in our society."

The speech was given by Jennifer Westacott, chief executive of the Business Council of Australia, who understands that Australia's commodity boom was one-in-a-century opportunity which is going to be replaced with either higher productivity or lower living standards. It's one or the other.

It looks like lower living standards. Even when the commodities cycle turns, and prices move upwards, producers won't be flocking to Australia to build multibillion-dollar projects. Australia will not see another mining boom, or any other boom, under current laws and practices.

Instead of galvanising to meet this challenge Australians have shown an opposite intent. They want Labor back in power in Canberra, with more government spending, given that Labor has taken a comfortable and consistent lead in the polls by opposing every attempt to cut spending. It even opposes cuts it proposed when in office.

In Victoria, voters have put Labor back into office despite the certainty that it meant a return to power of the corruption-riddled Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union. One of the first moves new Premier Daniel Andrews made was to dismantle the construction code set up to combat rampant intimidation in the building industry.

In Queensland, Labor has promised to repeal the anti-bikie laws, because the CFMEU, as in Victoria, hates laws that impinge on its ability to deploy bikies as enforcers on building sites.

In this broad context of national denial, Abbott's honours mistake is a mosquito bite. He has a problem but the fixation on his foibles is another sign that Australians prefer avoiding the real drama the country is facing. That narrative has yet to be properly framed by our politicians. It is too dangerous.
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Re: Should Abbott step down?

Post by Rorschach » Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:41 pm

So good to see so many Journalists stating the same things I have been saying and thinking.
Tony Abbott is making exactly the same mistakes Campbell Newman did
Lenore Taylor, political editor
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Sunday 1 February 2015 10.06 AEST

When Campbell Newman called the Queensland election it was clearly a test run for the federal Coalition’s political strategy. That test run has been a smash-up.

Like Newman, Tony Abbott has been selling voters the message that “tough” decisions – even unpopular ones – are necessary in the national interest. And he’s been banking on those voters ultimately deciding that Labor, who they so recently rejected at the ballot box, is ill prepared and too much of a risk.

He’s also made exactly the same strategy mistakes that didn’t work, for Newman. He’s squandered the electorate’s trust, with broken promises and harsh policies not mentioned before the election. He’s falsely believed that slogans, rather than painstaking explanations, would convince people to accept his policies.

Newman seemed to think Queenslanders would come around if he just said the word “strong” lots of times. The Abbott government seems to have the same expectations of the phrases “debt and deficit disaster” and “cleaning up Labor’s mess”. But those phrases do not substitute for clear explanations about why the federal government thinks its chosen spending cuts are the best and fairest ways to improve the budget bottom line.

And, like Newman, Abbott seems to be banking on reminding voters of Labor’s past failures, and asserting that Labor does not have a plan. Ominously for him, the Queensland result showed that, when they are sufficiently angry with the incumbent, voters are prepared to risk an alternative leader who seems solid, even if they aren’t visionary and don’t have inspiring alternative ideas.

Federal factors did play some role in the Queensland result – even though Newman called his election in the Christmas holidays to get away from them, and both major parties concentrated on state themes. The fact that the federal Coalition managed to talk about the goods and services tax, the Medicare co-payment, industrial relations changes, knighting the Queen’s hubby and its own leadership woes in just over three weeks when most of them were on leave really beggars belief.

But the biggest question now is whether Abbott can overcome the political factors thrown into stark relief by Newman’s failure. Has he still got the authority and the trust to make the case for the agenda he will outline to the National Press Club on Monday? Has he got the ability to explain, not in soundbites, but it in a way that respects the intelligence of the electorate?

The Queensland result will loom large in the way the federal Coalition party room answers those questions.
One funny thing is that members of the press gallery seem to think a speech at the National Press Club would make any difference to the public in general. Seems to me both sides of the political media divide have delusions of grandeur.
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Re: Should Abbott step down?

Post by Neferti » Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:58 pm

One funny thing is that members of the press gallery seem to think a speech at the National Press Club would make any difference to the public in general. Seems to me both sides of the political media divide have delusions of grandeur.
Never watched it ... nor any other Press Club Speech. We vote by POLICIES, remember, not speeches. ;)

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Re: Should Abbott step down?

Post by Rorschach » Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:56 pm

Annabel Crabb..
Leadership change, perhaps? A switch to the deputy? There are enough people discussing the pros and cons within the Liberal Party to qualify it as an option. And thanks to the miracle of modern politics, we don't even have to resort to microfiche or dusty history books to remind us how things pan out when a talented, widely-praised lady deputy is drafted to ease the reins from the hands of a man who can't stop messing up.

Draft Malcolm Turnbull, perhaps? Well, we've been there too.
My thoughts exactly... No to Julie and No to Malcolm.
Julie should stay as Foreign minister where she is doing a great job.
Malcolm should join Labor and become Leader there or become Treasurer.
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Re: Should Abbott step down?

Post by Rorschach » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:18 pm

ABC news...
Like the ALP, the Liberal Party runs the risk of killing off more than one leader next week.

And what if the replacement turns out unable to reverse the Government's fortunes? A faltering Bishop would soon be tarred with the brush of Gillard. Liberals might well ponder the embarrassment of her five months as Shadow Treasurer in 2008-09, a period that casts doubt on her leadership credentials.

Equally, a faltering Turnbull would be reminiscent of his less than stellar performance as opposition leader in 2008-09. Remember Godwin Grech? And who thinks the Liberal Party's problem with climate change will go away if Turnbull takes over?
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Re: Should Abbott step down?

Post by IQS.RLOW » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:32 pm

Rorschach wrote:ABC news...
Like the ALP, the Liberal Party runs the risk of killing off more than one leader next week.

And what if the replacement turns out unable to reverse the Government's fortunes? A faltering Bishop would soon be tarred with the brush of Gillard. Liberals might well ponder the embarrassment of her five months as Shadow Treasurer in 2008-09, a period that casts doubt on her leadership credentials.

Equally, a faltering Turnbull would be reminiscent of his less than stellar performance as opposition leader in 2008-09. Remember Godwin Grech? And who thinks the Liberal Party's problem with climate change will go away if Turnbull takes over?
The ABC along with Fauxfax are agitating for the Libs to validate how the ALP fucked up. Any conservative that follows the direction of the left wing fourth estate may as well hand in his man card and balls instead of telling them to go fuck themselves with a greasy cucumber.
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