The Greens - the no credibility party?

[mantra]

know that up until the 80's if a child was born with an indiscriminate sex - doctors would operate on that child as they saw fit and choose their gender. They made a lot of mistakes. The transgender kids these days are born with their genitals in tact, but just feel emotionally like the opposite gender.

Where did you hear that, Mantra? Children born with indiscriminate sex? Doctors playing God? Oh come on! The so-called transgender kids probably have parents who vote Green! Geeze!

Just because you haven't heard of something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This has got nothing to do with the Greens and why you blame them for the world's woes, I have no idea. It's a fact of life and it happens here and many other nations.

Approximately 10 times a year in Houston, at the birth of a certain type of baby, a special crisis team at Texas Children's Hospital springs into action. Assembled in 2001, the unusual team includes a psychologist, urologist, geneticist, endocrinologist, and ethicist. Its mission: to counsel parents of infants sometimes referred to as "intersex" babies—that is, babies of indeterminate physical gender.

That such a team exists—and that it often counsels deferring surgery for infants who are otherwise healthy—reflects a radical new thinking among doctors about gender identity and outside efforts to shape it. Instead of surgically "fixing" such children to make them (visually, at least) either male or female, a handful of U.S. specialists now argue that such infants should be left alone and eventually be allowed to choose their gender identity. The approach challenges decades of conventional wisdom about what to do with infants whose genitalia don't conform to the "norm." Until very recently, such children were automatically altered with surgery, often with tragic consequences.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... _edge.html

Intersex infants and children, such as those with ambiguous outer genitalia, may be surgically and/or hormonally altered to fit into a perceived more socially acceptable sex category. However, this is considered controversial, with no firm evidence of good outcomes.[3] Such treatments may involve sterilization. Adults, including elite women athletes, have also been subjects of such treatment. Increasingly these issues are recognized as human rights abuses, with statements from UN agencies,[4][5] a national parliament,[6] and ethics institutions.[7] Intersex organizations have also issued joint statements over several years as part of an International Intersex Forum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

[mantra]

I also think we've gone too far by letting young kids make their own decision to change their sex. Who knows how they will feel in a couple of decades. They'll probably end up suing the government if they change their minds.

Who has gone too far? We the public haven't, most people abhor that sort of thing, i.e. little boy/girl kids wanting to be a girl/boy. Kids pre-pubescent haven't a clue what they "want to be". Mostly they just want other kids at school to "like them". Parents put these crazy ideas into little kids' minds. Presumably, many of these parents have "progressive" agendas

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Maybe you should watch that dreadful ABC occasionally and you might learn something. There was a documentary about it on 4 Corners a couple of weeks ago. Children can now access hormones from the onset of puberty without going before the Courts, although they have to wait until they're 16 and follow a legal process before they can be operated on.

[Neferti]

Just because you haven't heard of something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This has got nothing to do with the Greens and why you blame them for the world's woes, I have no idea. It's a fact of life and it happens here and many other nations.

The Greens are so "radical" and so far LEFT that they are bringing up all sorts of crap to get attention. They should be concentrating on THE ENVIRONMENT, not gender issues.

The rest of your post is crap ....... well ... shit happens and usually .... ONLY IN AMERICA ....

[mantra]

Just because you haven't heard of something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This has got nothing to do with the Greens and why you blame them for the world's woes, I have no idea. It's a fact of life and it happens here and many other nations.

The Greens are so "radical" and so far LEFT that they are bringing up all sorts of crap to get attention. They should be concentrating on THE ENVIRONMENT, not gender issues.

The rest of your post is crap ....... well ... shit happens and usually .... ONLY IN AMERICA ....

Your ignorance is breathtaking. If you think my posts are crap - don't read them and don't say I'm wrong unless you can prove otherwise. You're the one who never gets anything right these days.

No it doesn't happen only in America. I thought it had stopped in the 80's, but these operations on babies were still ongoing last year, although there was an amendment to the legislation in July.

Advocacy groups have called for an end to genital surgery on infants with intersex conditions, saying many operations are not medically necessary and are performed to reinforce a particular gender.

"No genital surgery is life-preserving,'' says Gina Wilson, president of Organisation Intersex International in Australia. ''It's cosmetic and normalising.''

Ms Wilson said surgeons should wait until a child reached an age of informed consent. The term intersex refers to people with genetic, hormonal or genital features that are not completely male or female, or a mixture of both.

Andie Hider, vice-president and medical liaison representative for the Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome Support Group of Australia, said: "Unless there is significant impairment that will cause ongoing health concerns until it is rectified, I don't think there is a justifiable reason to operate."

The group, which represents one category of intersex conditions, has called for a moratorium on non-urgent medical intervention. The calls come as new federal government guidelines that allow Australians to tick a third box, the "X" box, signifying "indeterminate/intersex/unspecified" on all government documents and passports, take effect on July 1.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/call- ... 2ojdr.html

[Rorschach]

The Greens ceased to be primarily about the environment a long time ago. They are progressives with a large social reform agenda.

One most sane people would reject.

[boxy]

Look up hermaphrodite, Naffer. It's also a human condition.

Although, I don't see it being particularly relevant to the topic...

[TheCult]

The Greens ceased to be primarily about the environment a long time ago. They are progressives with a large social reform agenda.

One most sane people would reject.

Most insane people are greenies it seems. Even the arguments they put forward are beyond sanity, you just have to wonder if they are pulling your leg or worse, if they actually believe the tripe they come up with.

[TheCult]

hahahahahahah seriously...

[skippy]

The Greens latest stupidity... jumping on the No Gender December bandwagon and saying toys perpetuate myths and create abusive relationships later in life.

Honestly doe this party attract all the lunatics?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/d ... es-in-toys

Can we get a Cuckoo emoticon?

Is this Greens policy or just the rant of a member?
I can't read anywhere it's Greens policy.

[Neferti]

Your ignorance is breathtaking. If you think my posts are crap - don't read them and don't say I'm wrong unless you can prove otherwise. You're the one who never gets anything right these days.

I have an OPINION the same as you do. Are you telling me that you THINK you know better than I do?