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Re: Global Warming

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:45 am

Rorschach wrote:If there were less cows and no methane etc, etc, etc... it's called nature AiA.
There is no more carbon in the system than what was originally there.
In fact there have been times when there was more CO2 than there is today. Nature....

Oh and AiA we are overdue for an Ice Age using your logic I guess we should thank man for staving it off a little longer so we can prepare for it eh. :roll:
No humans = no agriculture
No humans = no livestock
No humans = no deforestation
No humans = cooler Earth temperature

Sure, there would be climate change if there were no humans but to say that humans don't cause climate change is silly because humans have been causing climate change at least since the dawn of agriculture.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by Rorschach » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:36 am

Humans don't cause climate change... put billions of us on the planet and guess what... we are at the Earth's mercy re climate.... even the IPCC don't blame "humans" for directly causing climate change. Our presence as such adds very little to the equation.

In fact they are blaming the industrial revolution for it. They are blaming the gas that feeds all plantlife for it. Plantlife with which we have a symbiotic relationship and would die without.
No humans = no agriculture Wrong there have always been plants and trees.
No humans = no livestock Wrong there have always been other animals.
No humans = no deforestation Wrong there have always been floods and fires and other diseases and disasters that affect plants.
No humans = cooler Earth temperature. Really? By how much? More than if there were no cows? No ants? No elephants? Have you forgotten that man is part of nature? The Earth has warmed and cooled... frozen in fact without man being here.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:57 pm

Rorschach wrote:Humans don't cause climate change... put billions of us on the planet and guess what... we are at the Earth's mercy re climate.... even the IPCC don't blame "humans" for directly causing climate change. Our presence as such adds very little to the equation.

In fact they are blaming the industrial revolution for it. They are blaming the gas that feeds all plantlife for it. Plantlife with which we have a symbiotic relationship and would die without.
No humans = no agriculture Wrong there have always been plants and trees.
No humans = no livestock Wrong there have always been other animals.
No humans = no deforestation Wrong there have always been floods and fires and other diseases and disasters that affect plants.
No humans = cooler Earth temperature. Really? By how much? More than if there were no cows? No ants? No elephants? Have you forgotten that man is part of nature? The Earth has warmed and cooled... frozen in fact without man being here.
Don't you think that in the last 40,000 years since the planet became more habitable for humans and our crops and our livestock that it allowed us to develop to the degree with have. Why when the environment has been so good and perfect for us would you want to risk it changing for the worse.

Stating the obvious that climate has change d before and always will is not the point.

Let's look at it another way. If we forecast the climate is going to change for the worse irrelevant of the cause we would be focusing on altering the environment to stop of arrest it so we can continue to prosper. Just because scientist state there is a high probability man is making a major contribution to a warming that will be bad news for humanity you deniers are all up in arms.

Short term thinking will kill us.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Rorschach » Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:24 pm

Super Nova wrote:
Rorschach wrote:Humans don't cause climate change... put billions of us on the planet and guess what... we are at the Earth's mercy re climate.... even the IPCC don't blame "humans" for directly causing climate change. Our presence as such adds very little to the equation.

In fact they are blaming the industrial revolution for it. They are blaming the gas that feeds all plantlife for it. Plantlife with which we have a symbiotic relationship and would die without.
No humans = no agriculture Wrong there have always been plants and trees.
No humans = no livestock Wrong there have always been other animals.
No humans = no deforestation Wrong there have always been floods and fires and other diseases and disasters that affect plants.
No humans = cooler Earth temperature. Really? By how much? More than if there were no cows? No ants? No elephants? Have you forgotten that man is part of nature? The Earth has warmed and cooled... frozen in fact without man being here.
Don't you think that in the last 40,000 years since the planet became more habitable for humans and our crops and our livestock that it allowed us to develop to the degree with have. Why when the environment has been so good and perfect for us would you want to risk it changing for the worse. We don't live on a stagnant static planet it is dynamic and always changing, your having problems with scale apparently some changes are rapid others geological.

Stating the obvious that climate has change d before and always will is not the point. Oh yes it is...

Let's look at it another way. If we forecast the climate is going to change for the worse irrelevant of the cause we would be focusing on altering the environment to stop of arrest it so we can continue to prosper. Just because scientist state there is a high probability man is making a major contribution to a warming that will be bad news for humanity you deniers are all up in arms. I've never denied it, again you are making a mistake and building a strawman. I have only ever stated that alarmist Thermageddonist believers are the true deniers. That their histrionics are based on unproven and flawed assumptions and modelling. All that is factual.

Short term thinking will kill us. Alarmist! I suggest you prepare and adapt. Wrong headed thinking will cause us a great deal of damage also.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:02 pm

No.

Everything we have achieved has been in the last 40,000 years.

The environment has been ideal for us.

Rapid changes will not be good.

We will always adapt so we as a species will survive the question will be will our civilisation survive.

Maybe you think a good cull is worth it and only those who have the technology to adapt deserve to survive.

However you mentioning adapt means you recognise there is a threat?.... maybe... there is hope for you to change your mind.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:04 pm

Still being a panic merchant over something that is to occurring SN?

When will you stop denying the science?
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:09 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:Still being a panic merchant over something that is to occurring SN?

When will you stop denying the science?
I never deny the science.

When will you stop looking for evidence today against a model that was wrong and see the risk for our future in the current improved models.

It is not the end of the world now.... right now but we need to reduce the risk.

Thank god governments are starting to address this with the US and China taking it seriously.

Why are the major governments taking action to address our emissions if you are correct. is everyone wrong but the deniers like yourself. No.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:30 pm

:rofl :rofl :rofl the US and China are doing exactly nothing. The US will just continue to frack and hope that is enough and the Chinese are doing absolutely nothing and will continue to do absolutely nothing until at least 2030- by then, the scam that you fell for will be well and truly debunked. Although I expect you will still be crying in your weeties hoping for absolution by begging everyone else to pay tithing to your new god.

Not only do you deny the science, you swallow the spin far too easily.

I treat idiots like you the same as vegan idiots.
For every ton of carbon you don't burn, I'm gonna burn three.

You and your whole family and descendants are going to die screaming with skin peeling off your arms due to IQ induced globule walming.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Rorschach » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:40 pm

Super Nova wrote:No.

Everything we have achieved has been in the last 40,000 years.

The environment has been ideal for us.

Rapid changes will not be good.

We will always adapt so we as a species will survive the question will be will our civilisation survive.

Maybe you think a good cull is worth it and only those who have the technology to adapt deserve to survive.

However you mentioning adapt means you recognise there is a threat?.... maybe... there is hope for you to change your mind.
40,000 years... :roll:
Oh FFS, no one said the climate wasn't ideal for us... depending on whether or not you are a Summer or Winter type person right :rofl :rofl :rofl
No one said we have the ability to make it stay the same except you morons.
The climate has always changed... remember the last Ice Age? How soon we forget.
BTW my opinion has always remained the same, the problem seems to be with your understanding.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:59 pm

I am embarrassed for you Roach. You seem not to understand even the meaning of words such as "agriculture" ...

It isn't a secret that agriculture has raised the Earth's temperature. Agriculture includes the cultivation of crops, deforestation, and raising livestock.

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