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Labours fraudband revealed!

Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:22 am

The legacy these idiots have left behind will go down in history as most useless govt Australia ever saw.


So much for Monks wild claims of tele health and pie in the sky benefits. Completely debunked.



Turnbull: Labor got its NBN forecasting wrong

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Turnbull: Labor got its NBN forecasting ...Newspaper Works
THE former Labor government’s decision to pursue a fibre-to-the-home, super-fast, broadband network would have a net cost to taxpayers of $22.2 billion, but the Coalition’s model still leaves them paying billions to deliver access to the bush and urban fringes, a landmark cost-benefit analysis reveals.

The Coalition-commissioned analysis finds the expense of providing high-speed internet access to people who live in uncommercial rural and regional areas, as well as urban fringes, would cost nearly $5bn but the benefits are only a fraction of that.

It also reveals the median household will have applications downloading about 15 megabits a second (Mbps) in just under a decade — far less than the 162Mbps that the average NBN user was ­expected to purchase in 2025 in the original corporate plan released in 2010.

Modelling for the analysis, to be released today, shows that video is a key driver of internet traffic and suggests that internet TV viewing could grow from about 80 minutes a month to 47 minutes a day for all adults by 2023.

NBN: Percentage take-up of each speed band

Research used in the analysis finds that households are more willing to pay to go from slow speeds to fast speeds than they are to go from fast to super-fast speeds, while the benefit to the public at large from services such as health and education made possible by the NBN would be worth no more than $2.2bn.

The review by a government-appointed panel led by former Victorian Treasury official Michael Vertigan is likely to set off a political firestorm. It fulfils a key Coalition election promise after Labor refused to do a cost-benefit analysis of Australia’s largest ­infrastructure project.

Mr Vertigan said yesterday: “We hope and we believe that undertaking an exercise like this strengthens the case as to why quality cost-benefit analysis should be undertaken before major policy decisions are taken with respect to major infrastructure projects.”

Last night, Labor’s communications spokesman Jason Clare attacked the analysis as “not independent”. He said that, instead of appointing Infrastructure Australia to do the cost-benefit analysis, Mr Turnbull had “hand-picked people that he knows will give him the answer he wants”.

The findings on the expense of providing access in uncommercial areas threaten to inflame tensions between the Liberals and the ­Nationals. Late last night, Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull acknowledged that the cost-benefit analysis showed that city users of the internet would wind up paying a big subsidy to support the service of country users. “It is a tax on all users of the NBN to subsidise the remote areas,” Mr Turnbull said.

The cost-benefit analysis found that, compared to a market-driven — or unsubsidised — network, a fibre-to-the-premises (FTTP) NBN had a net cost of $22bn as it is more costly and slower to deliver.

(Labor had promised to provide super-fast optic fibre to the premises of 93 per cent of Australian homes, while the Coalition is now promising a “multi-technology mix” that makes heavy use of Telstra’s existing copper network for the final few hundred metres to homes).

It shows that no further rollout, comes at a net cost of $24bn, compared with a market-driven network, because of the high cost of the deal done between the former Labor government and Telstra. Payments to Telstra account for about two-thirds of the cost of fibre-to-the-home compared with an unsubsidised broadband service. By contrast, the multi-technology NBN had a net cost of $6bn relative to the market-driven network.

Mr Turnbull is set to pounce on the $16bn difference between the multi-technology model and the FTTP model to argue his promised switch away from Labor’s Rolls-Royce model has strong support. The model was recommended by a strategic review in December last year and agreed to by the government this year.

Given the Vertigan panel’s analysis found the net benefits of an unsubsidised rollout, compared with no rollout, were $24bn, then the net social and economic benefits of the ­Coalition’s multi-technology mix were $17.9bn, while Labor’s all-fibre model left the community about $1.8bn better off. According to the analysis, the gap of $16.1bn is because the ­Coalition’s NBN can be delivered more quickly and avoids high upfront costs, while still leaving open options for the future. (The cost-benefit analysis was based on a “radically redesigned” FTTP contained in the strategic review, which strips out costs such as those relating to truck rolls, and therefore could be considered conservative. Labor has strongly questioned the accuracy of the strategic review.)

“It is, in that sense, far more ­‘future proof’ in economic terms: should future demand grow more slowly than expected, it avoids the high sunk costs of having deployed FTTP,’’ the analysis says.

“On the other hand, should future demand grow more rapidly than expected, the rapid deployment … allows more of that growth to be secured early on, with the scope to then upgrade to ensure the network can support very high speeds once demand reaches those levels.”

However, the analysis also highlights the costs involved in providing the NBN to people in the bush and urban fringe areas using satellite and fixed wireless services.

It costs $4.8bn to provide fixed wireless and satellite, but the benefits are just $600 million, in part because the willingness to pay is less than the cost of delivering higher speeds in these areas. “The net social cost is equivalent to ­almost $7000 per additional premises connected through the provision of fixed wireless and satellite services ... This outcome represents the net cost of providing access to high-speed broadband to rural and remote ­regions of Australia,” the analysis says.

“The result is a substantial net cost to the community.”

At the moment, the rollout of the NBN to the bush is cross-subsidised through the prices that urban consumers pay, as a result of a promise that Julia Gillard made in 2010 to regional independents whose support she needed for a second term of Labor.

Mr Turnbull acknowledged that it would be more transparent if the government directly subsidised the cost of providing broadband to the bush, but added: “It is not something that my colleague the Treasurer would be very excited about.”

Mr Turnbull said an alternative would be to require the NBN to be explicit about how much the cross-subsidy was, so that it would at least be clear how much of the wholesale cost of broadband was supporting the bush.

On demand, the cost-benefit analysis suggests that growth in demand for bandwidth had been over-estimated during the Labor era. Mr Turnbull said last night that the mistake made by the former Labor government was simply to extrapolate demand from existing trends.

“My predecessor Senator Conroy was fond of saying ‘Yes, we don’t have the applications to need that speed now, but think of 20 to 30 years’ time’,” he said. “That is obviously a very poor guide to investment.”

Mr Turnbull said Labor’s planning for the NBN had confused the growth in the amount of traffic with the need for additional bandwidth. It requires more bandwidth to carry video than web pages but not more to increase the volume of video.
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Re: Labours fraudband revealed!

Post by skippy » Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:11 am

Thanks spermy, so according to the current government the previous government got everything wrong, who'd have ever thunk it? :rofl

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Re: Labours fraudband revealed!

Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:57 pm

It's according to everyone who isnt a blind fuckwit like yourself skip.

The fact that you still try to defend the worst govt in history speaks volumes about yourself. It's why you should never be allowed to vote ever again. You cant even admit how much they fucked up.
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Post by skippy » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:38 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:It's according to everyone who isnt a blind fuckwit like yourself skip.

The fact that you still try to defend the worst govt in history speaks volumes about yourself. It's why you should never be allowed to vote ever again. You cant even admit how much they fucked up.
I think you'll find that besides the rusted on conga line most people think the current government is the worst in history. That may also explain why Abbotts government has been behind in the polls for eleven months now. :rofl

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Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:04 pm

Sorry skip- your selective use of polls is meaningless.

Yet you still try to defend the last lot of sordid wastrels by windmilling your arms with a pointed index finger desperately trying to deflect how much they fucked the country. Just look at the excerpts from Paul Kelly's book- even the Labor ministers reckon it was a fucking shambles. All brainless fucks like you do is give them permission to treat the whole population like the brainless fuckwit that you are.

I'd give you some benefit of the doubt if you approached the level of marginally stupid and used the magic of hindsight to re-evaluate your support of the party of useless fucks, but you are unable to even comprehend that because you know if you had to face it, you know you would come out looking like a goose. Well, newsflash for you buddy- this approach makes you look worse than a goose. It makes you look like an unhinged fucking sloth missing a few chromosomes.

I'll say it again- you are too fucking stupid to be allowed to vote.
Seriously.
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Post by Rorschach » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:32 pm

skippy wrote:
IQS.RLOW wrote:It's according to everyone who isnt a blind fuckwit like yourself skip.

The fact that you still try to defend the worst govt in history speaks volumes about yourself. It's why you should never be allowed to vote ever again. You cant even admit how much they fucked up.
I think you'll find that besides the rusted on conga line most people think the current government is the worst in history. That may also explain why Abbotts government has been behind in the polls for eleven months now. :rofl
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Post by Neferti » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:05 pm

Only a sloth would vote Green.

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Post by Rorschach » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:44 pm

Skippy...?
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Post by Rorschach » Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:30 pm

I note that Labor and their media mates are lying about this review... how unusual. :roll:
NBN cost benefit analysis finds there's such a thing as too much speed
Date August 27, 2014 - 11:21AM
Peter Martin
Economics Editor, The Age

No wonder Labor never wanted its National Broadband Network subjected to cost benefit analysis. For all its talk about the public benefits that would flow from fibre to the home broadband such as e-health, e-learning and working, those benefits turn out to require very little bandwidth.

The Coalition's independent cost benefit review finds that what does need high bandwidth is high-definition TV. But even that doesn't need anything like what the NBN was going to deliver.

By 2023 the typical household will need just 15 megabits per second, according to the review's bottom-up analysis. The top 5 per cent of households will need at least 43 Mbps. The top 1 per cent will need 48 Mbps. The NBN was going to deliver 100, upgrading later to 1000.

Tech-heads might think those figures are low, but the review explains that the most common household comprises just two people.

"Even if those two are each watching their own HDTV stream, each surfing the web and each having a video call all simultaneously, then (in part thanks to the impact of improving video compression) the total bandwidth in 2023 for this somewhat extreme use case for that household is just over 14 Mbps."

Bandwidth that isn't used is bandwidth that's wasted. If it costs a lot to get it it's money wasted.

The review finds the Coalition's pared-down model will cost $7.2 billion in today's dollars. Labor's fibre-to-the-premises NBN would have cost $17.6 billion. The benefit from the Coalition's model is $1 billion. The benefit from Labor's model is minus $4.7 billion. That's right, minus $4.7 billion. The minus sign is because Labor's scheme would have delayed the spread of fast broadband. The review finds that without it the market would have delivered high-speed broadband to most Australians sooner.

Australians care about speed, but not that much. The review finds we are prepared to pay an extra $1.50 per month for an extra Mbps when our speed is low, but only an extra 70¢ when it climbs to 50 Mbps and nothing when it climbs above 90 Mbps.

On the other hand, we care deeply about getting high-speed broadband quickly.

The Coalition's plan uses a mix of technologies to deliver speeds of 20 to 100 Mbps to all of Australia and does it much sooner than Labor would have delivered 20 in the bush and 100-plus in cities.

The Coalition scheme will cost a net $620 per person in today's dollars. Labor's would have cost $2200.

It's hard to fault the review panel for thoroughness. It's review goes out until 2040, and beyond that using residual value. It developed Australia's first bottom-up analysis of what Australians actually need; something Labor never did, starting instead with a solution and then assuming it was needed. It commissioned the Institute for Choice at the University of South Australia to examine what consumers were actually prepared to pay and it has submitted its work to peer review from an international panel made up of experts from the Brookings Institution and the University of Texas.

It finds that both the Coalition and Labor's NBN needlessly waste money, but that Labor's wastes more.
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Post by skippy » Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:46 am

IQS.RLOW wrote:Sorry skip- your selective use of polls is meaningless.

Yet you still try to defend the last lot of sordid wastrels by windmilling your arms with a pointed index finger desperately trying to deflect how much they fucked the country. Just look at the excerpts from Paul Kelly's book- even the Labor ministers reckon it was a fucking shambles. All brainless fucks like you do is give them permission to treat the whole population like the brainless fuckwit that you are.

I'd give you some benefit of the doubt if you approached the level of marginally stupid and used the magic of hindsight to re-evaluate your support of the party of useless fucks, but you are unable to even comprehend that because you know if you had to face it, you know you would come out looking like a goose. Well, newsflash for you buddy- this approach makes you look worse than a goose. It makes you look like an unhinged fucking sloth missing a few chromosomes.

I'll say it again- you are too fucking stupid to be allowed to vote.
Seriously.
Nothing selective in taking 99.9 percent of polls over the past eleven months and quoting them. Feel free to prove me wrong, it'll be fun to watch you try and squirm around the numbers. :yahoo

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