Tony Abbott

[Rorschach]

Well let's be accurate then.

"that an apparent warming rate equivalent to almost 0.9 Cº is statistically insignificant"

Statistically insignificant is not the same as "it hasn't warmed".

From a link that support your argument: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/13/n ... -4-months/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes even the IPCC agrees that there has been a "pause" in warming... Statistically insignificant means so small it can be ignored... means that it falls well within normal variability... means within the normal range of error...

So yes.... NO Warming while it may upset a PEDANT... it wouldn't upset a scientist or economist or statistician. Or even a normal person...

[Rorschach]

Well let's be accurate then.

"that an apparent warming rate equivalent to almost 0.9 Cº is statistically insignificant"

Statistically insignificant is not the same as "it hasn't warmed".

From a link that support your argument: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/13/n ... -4-months/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes even the IPCC agrees that there has been a "pause" in warming... Statistically insignificant means so small it can be ignored... means that it falls well within normal variability... means within the normal range of error...

So yes.... NO Warming while it may upset a PEDANT... it wouldn't upset a scientist or economist or statistician. Or even a normal person...

If you look at the predictive graphs you would have noticed the "pause" has broken out of the predicted trend. You will also not the trend over the "pause" has actually been downward.

[Rorschach]

I think that is true but we clearly don't understand many areas not in our model at the time including the seas impact on being a carbon sink. So there is a period potentially were sinks are absorbing carbon (not just CO2) and when they are full... then what.

All that is clear the previous model were wrong.

Yes, just as we have been stating for years... the Models are wrong... GIGO>
They are still wrong.

Climate is a vastly complicated system, and CO2 is not the climate driver.

[Rorschach]

That is just bollocks. There are too many issues and risks to list.... here is just one. (Monday 31 March 2014 01)

Climate change will damage Australia's coastal infrastructure
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This scenario is leading to increasing risks for “coastal infrastructure and low-lying ecosystems” in Australia, threatening “widespread damage towards the upper end of projected sea-level-rise ranges.”

As oceans warm and the water acidifies, the Great Barrier Reef, like many reefs around the world, is set to decline, according to the IPCC. The vast reef, which may be declared ‘in danger’ by the World Heritage Committee when it meets in June, is “highly vulnerable” to warming and acidification, the report found.

“The Great Barrier Reef is expected to degrade under all climate change scenarios, reducing its attractiveness,” the report states. “Evidence of the ability of corals to adapt to rising temperatures and acidification is limited and appears insufficient to offset the detrimental effects of warming and acidification.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... -says-ipcc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well we all know how bad we are at weather prediction. And climate prediction... in fact none of the world's climate zones have changed in my lifetime.

If we accept that so far all the models have been very wrong.
If we accept that the data and assumptions used to inform them are wrong.
Then the inescapable conclusion is that the long term predictions will also be wrong.

We know that the Earth goes through natural Cycles, we know that an Ice Age is due and we know there have been Ages in which global temperatures have been warmer, wetter and the CO2 much higher. This is all within Natural variability for the planet.
We know the planet is a dynamic not a static system. We know species die. We know they evolve. We know one factor of evolution is the environment, if it never changed, there would be no need for adaptation through evolution.
Personally I'm unhappy the Dinosaurs died out and future generations may be unhappy if the same happens to the GBR.

[Rorschach]

Actually I am. I started this debate with you a couple of years ago.... not believing there was insignificant warming over the last 17 years. You have forced me to research my old position and really look hard into the information available and the science. I have concluded that some scientists were not balanced in the forecasts earlier influenced by political and greenies. They should be shot.

However the good thing is this was a wakeup call and the new forecast have significant scrutiny and review, probably more than any other research before publications and the forecast without action is a warming planet primarily due to human activity. that is the fact.

It will have major impacts on the world economies and the stability in the world as we fight over food and water and field resources.

Like IQS said you aren't listening or to be more accurate you have lost your skepticism and have become a listener to the one true faith, you are a denier of balanced reporting and dissent from the Church of Climate Alarmism... you are now a Thermageddonist.

[Rorschach]

Bollocks. It may be beneficial to some local environments but as a whole it will not.

Do you have anything to substantiate this claim?

"Bollocks" ? Is that the best you can do?
Sound an awful like DENIAL to me... unsubstantiated denial at that.
I suggest you look back to the history of some countries like Greenland or England and see what good warming did in the past.
Otherwise put forward your scientific paper that proves otherwise.

[Rorschach]

We will continue to use coal. No doubt. It is a very easy energy store to release.

We should use it more cleanly.

We should continue to invest in alternates.

Yes, we all know about technological advancement.

Oh and as for the rolling around on the floor with Aussie...

It's not something I'd ever think you'd be into.

[Neferti]

Showing your intelligence and debating skills there Mr Aussie.

[Aussie]

Showing your intelligence and debating skills there Mr Aussie.

[Neferti]

Do you reckon Gerard Baden Clay will get off? He is in the Dock and relating his relationship with his wife, Allison (whom he is accused of murdering in 2012)... since he first met her in around 1995. He must be driving the Jury to distraction. He is accused of MURDER and he is/was telling his Life Story. Check it out.