Why taking a boat is not the same as a plane

[mantra]

This is a large liferaft!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifeboat_%28shipboard%29

Liferaft versus lifeboat

Liferafts in general are collapsible, and stored in a heavy-duty fiberglass canister, and also contain some high-pressure gas (in commercial models, usually compressed air) to allow automatic inflation to the operations size. SOLAS and military regulations require these to be sealed, never opened by the ship's crew; they are removed at a set periodicity (annually on merchant vessels) and sent to a certified facility to open and inspect the liferaft and contents. In contrast, a lifeboat is open, and regulations require a crew member to inspect it periodically and ensure all required equipment is present.

Modern lifeboats have a motor; liferafts usually do not. Large lifeboats use a davit or launching system (there might be multiple lifeboats on one), that requires a human to launch. Lifeboat launching takes longer and has higher risk of failure due to human factors. However lifeboats do not suffer from inflation system failures as inflatable liferafts do.

Recently,[when?] smaller self-rescue lifeboats have been introduced for use by boats with fewer people aboard: these are rigid dinghies with CO2-inflated exposure canopies and other safety equipment. Like the lifeboats used before the advent of the petrol engine, these self-rescue dinghies are designed to let the passengers propel themselves to safety by sailing or rowing. In addition to their use as proactive lifeboats, these self-rescue dinghies are also designed to function as unsinkable yacht tenders. See photos of proactive lifeboat.

The International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS) makes it a requirement for merchant ships to have liferafts on each side of the ship, sufficient for all the people on board (the stated capacity of the lifeboat, irrespective of the fact that there may actually be fewer people on board). However, if the lifeboats are "easily transferable" (viz. have an open deck between port and starboard lifeboat decks), the number of liferafts may be reduced to a total sufficient for the ship's capacity.[clarification needed]

The equipment carried in a liferaft is much less than a lifeboat. Vis a vis lifeboats, liferafts are not self-righting and have no motor.

Since when did these lifeboats become liferafts? Do you think the government is sending hundreds of asylum seekers back in large rubber dinghies?

This is a lifeboat. No doubt the ones sent back to Indonesia are larger than this if they can carry 56 passengers safely.

[mantra]

Theyre liferafts you fucking ignorant dipshit. They aren't designed as ocean going vessels. Why do you keep making stupid, idiotic statements?

Where's the link saying that they're liferafts? You're making it up because you've got no answers. You're as dumb as Abbott.

[DaS Energy]

What does Abbott and his coalition do? Sink their boats, pluck em from the water, put em in a life raft and tow it Indonesia?

When will we see Greenpeace active to stop the sinking of asylum boats?

[Neferti]

This is a large liferaft!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifeboat_%28shipboard%29

Liferaft versus lifeboat

Liferafts in general are collapsible, and stored in a heavy-duty fiberglass canister, and also contain some high-pressure gas (in commercial models, usually compressed air) to allow automatic inflation to the operations size. SOLAS and military regulations require these to be sealed, never opened by the ship's crew; they are removed at a set periodicity (annually on merchant vessels) and sent to a certified facility to open and inspect the liferaft and contents. In contrast, a lifeboat is open, and regulations require a crew member to inspect it periodically and ensure all required equipment is present.

Modern lifeboats have a motor; liferafts usually do not. Large lifeboats use a davit or launching system (there might be multiple lifeboats on one), that requires a human to launch. Lifeboat launching takes longer and has higher risk of failure due to human factors. However lifeboats do not suffer from inflation system failures as inflatable liferafts do.

Recently,[when?] smaller self-rescue lifeboats have been introduced for use by boats with fewer people aboard: these are rigid dinghies with CO2-inflated exposure canopies and other safety equipment. Like the lifeboats used before the advent of the petrol engine, these self-rescue dinghies are designed to let the passengers propel themselves to safety by sailing or rowing. In addition to their use as proactive lifeboats, these self-rescue dinghies are also designed to function as unsinkable yacht tenders. See photos of proactive lifeboat.

The International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS) makes it a requirement for merchant ships to have liferafts on each side of the ship, sufficient for all the people on board (the stated capacity of the lifeboat, irrespective of the fact that there may actually be fewer people on board). However, if the lifeboats are "easily transferable" (viz. have an open deck between port and starboard lifeboat decks), the number of liferafts may be reduced to a total sufficient for the ship's capacity.[clarification needed]

The equipment carried in a liferaft is much less than a lifeboat. Vis a vis lifeboats, liferafts are not self-righting and have no motor.

Since when did these lifeboats become liferafts? Do you think the government is sending hundreds of asylum seekers back in large rubber dinghies?

This is a lifeboat. No doubt the ones sent back to Indonesia are larger than this if they can carry 56 passengers safely.

There is a DIFFERENCE between a life boat and a life raft! Didn't you read what I posted?

The Life rafts do NOT have a motor, they hold up to 50 or so people. The piss weak little life boat you posted a picture of has a motor and perhaps could hold 6 people at most. We are trying to RESCUE people from sinking, leaky boats, not take a few at a time on a tour of the Indonesian islands, while the rest of them drown. Dipstick.

[DaS Energy]

The boat has got an engine so it definite possibly be one of the Coalitions life boats!

The life raft has no engine and is chock full of people wearing survivor suits, so its definitely not one of the Coalitions life boats!

[Neferti]

The boat has got an engine so it definite possibly be one of the Coalitions life boats!

The life raft has no engine and is chock full of people wearing survivor suits, so its definitely not one of the Coalitions life boats!

Who said it was? I was pointing out the difference between a life boat and a life RAFT. Mantra was saying that we were giving the Indonesians, boats at Aussie Taxpayer expense.

Life RAFTS are used to SAVE lots of people from sinking boats. Life BOATS are used to transport several people from boat to shore.

Please open the other eye, DaS so that you can read what is written. Then we won't need to explain things to you, a second or third time. Many thanks.

[mantra]

There is a DIFFERENCE between a life boat and a life raft! Didn't you read what I posted?

I am going to say the same thing as you. Didn't you read what I posted? Since when did Abbott's life boats suddenly turn into liferafts?

The Life rafts do NOT have a motor, they hold up to 50 or so people.

So if life rafts don't have a motor - do you think Abbott expects the refugees to row back to Indonesia? They are being sent back in wooden life boats with new motors which are probably a whole lot better than the rickety boats they travel in to get to Australia.

The piss weak little life boat you posted a picture of has a motor and perhaps could hold 6 people at most. We are trying to RESCUE people from sinking, leaky boats, not take a few at a time on a tour of the Indonesian islands, while the rest of them drown. Dipstick.

Life boats also come in various sizes or did you think there was only one size fits all? Talk about thick. You're losing it fast Neferti.

Big life boat


Little life boat

[Neferti]

Fuck! I have no idea what size life RAFTs The Government is employing. However, they are RAFTS not boats, so do not have a motor. They would be towed, I expect, to safety. They will be employed to SAVE asylum seekers on sinking, leaky boats and be towed back to shore. Not transported a few at a time around the Indonesian islands on a pleasure cruise. Geeze.

Oh, and the pictures of life BOATS that you posted, Mantra, would need many trips back and forth to SAVE the sinking, leaky boats. These leaky boats a chock full of asylum seekers, not just a tiny little boat with a dozen people on them. They are trying to SAVE the people not take them on a pleasure cruise.

[mantra]

What does Abbott and his coalition do? Sink their boats, pluck em from the water, put em in a life raft and tow it Indonesia?

When will we see Greenpeace active to stop the sinking of asylum boats?

You've got the first two guesses right Das - but the boats are not being towed. The asylum seekers are being loaded onto new life boats - not life rafts and the Indonesian sailor who captains the rickety old boats is the one who drives them back to Indonesia. Once they're in the life boat - that's the end of that group of refugees as far as this government is concerned. So the people smugglers get to keep the new boats - courtesy of the Australian government.

[mantra]

Fuck! I have no idea what size life RAFTs The Government is employing. However, they are RAFTS not boats, so do not have a motor. They would be towed, I expect, to safety. They will be employed to SAVE asylum seekers on sinking, leaky boats and be towed back to shore. Not transported a few at a time around the Indonesian islands on a pleasure cruise. Geeze.

Once more for those with comprehension problems...

Why would they need fuel if they were being towed? The "master" is an Indonesian sailor. There are no Australians supervising the trip back to Indonesia.

At the last minute, though, a Customs officer came on board, tossed the asylum seekers a four-page document in a range of languages, and returned to the large ship, which sailed away.

The document, dated December 2013, reads: "You only have enough fuel to reach land in Indonesia. You do not have enough fuel to continue your voyage to Australia.

"The master of your vessel is now responsible for your safety. You must co-operate with the master and not act in a manner that risks your safety. You are responsible for your own actions. Your vessel is not equipped for a voyage to Australia. It is not safe to continue your voyage to Australia.

"If you continue on your journey, the master and crew of your boat will face harsh penalties, which may include a jail term."

The master was the Indonesian captain who had brought them from Java. They showed the compasses, GPS system and satellite phone that were provided with the orange boat.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal ... 30xtz.html