The Troops are Coming Home

[boxy]

Don't you believe that kids who would never get a real job anywhere else, can join the Military?

No, no I don't. Not in Australia, in any case.

Were you really being serious here?

[IQS.RLOW]

Don't you believe that kids who would never get a real job anywhere else, can join the Military?

No, no I don't. Not in Australia, in any case.

Were you really being serious here?

Are you being serious? The forces provide plenty of opportunity from trades to degrees of which many who do their time are highly sought after in the private sector.

Although perhaps being a lefty, the requirements of discipline and commitment are too foreign for you to understand.

[Chard]

Don't you believe that kids who would never get a real job anywhere else, can join the Military?

No, no I don't. Not in Australia, in any case.

Were you really being serious here?

Are you being serious? The forces provide plenty of opportunity from trades to degrees of which many who do their time are highly sought after in the private sector.

Although perhaps being a lefty, the requirements of discipline and commitment are too foreign for you to understand.

Uh, IQS, I think Boxy was agreeing with you, buddy.

But yeah, military service in most western nations does provide a measurable boost to ones employment prospects in civilian life, depending of course on what your rank/job specialty was.

For example, with the US Military, if you sign up with the Navy and manage to qualify for a slot in their nuclear engineering program you can pretty much write your own future. If you choose to stay career, as either enlisted or officer, you're in a small and highlky specialized career field integral to the branch's ability to condust global operations. As a civilian you have openings in the very high pay, low competition field of nuclear energy to look forward to.

As a counter-example, if you went infantry the best you can hope for is a PMC is hiring or you;re smart enough to fully utilize your college benefits to switch career fields. Seriously, infantry is a calling, not a career field.

[boxy]

I was pointing out that people in Australia, who join the military, are going to be people who are already driven to either contribute to society, or to better themselves. In no way are they unemployable, or would "never get a real job anywhere else", even at entry level. And yes, their experiences in the military would improve their prospects.

[DaS Energy]

Their experiences in the military does improve their prospects!

[mantra]

Youth unemployment is high in most countries - including Australia. As a result of having nothing to do - the biggest problem for them is boredom which is probably why mental illness is so high amongst our youth. They're idle and young people need to be active - preferably in positive activities, but when none are provided - they look for gratification in other ways and often it's self destructive.

Rudd - prior to the election suggested boot camp for the under 25's and although this might appear harsh to some people, it would be beneficial in many ways. Not only would it provide some physical and mental activity to the unemployed - it would be back up for the ADF if we engage in another war, which is highly likely. I don't agree with war for any reason, but it's part of life unfortunately.

Abbott hasn't proposed any schemes for our unemployed youth. Decades ago - they could get work in the manufacturing or construction industries, but that's not an option today.

[Rorschach]

"Mental illness is high amongst our youth"... you got proof to back that up I hope.
I'd hate to think you learned nothing last year and are starting this one off with another lie.

[mantra]

It is general knowledge that long term unemployment and mental health issues are often linked. You're a good example. Next time you visit your doctor ask him/her about the mental health issues which are besieging the young, particularly those who are unemployed. There are numerous articles available to substantiate this - so google it yourself if you want further proof.

The relationship between unemployment and poor health has been well documented [2–6]. The unemployed tend to have higher levels of impaired mental health including depression, anxiety, and stress, as well as higher levels of mental health hospital admissions, chronic disease (cardiovascular disease, hypertension, and musculoskeletal disorders), and premature mortality [2, 5–12]. Some longitudinal studies have shown that higher levels of depression and unemployment are not just correlated, but that higher levels of depression are a result of unemployment [11, 13, 14]. Other prospective studies have found that poor mental health contributes to unemployment [15]. A study by Montgomery et al. [11] showed that subjects who had recently become unemployed had an adjusted relative risk of 2.10 for depression and anxiety compared to those who had not recently become unemployed. When participants with preexisting depression were excluded from the study, those who had greater than thirty-seven months of accumulated unemployment were two times more apt to be depressed or anxious than were the employed (RR = 2.04). Additionally, unemployment is associated with unhealthy behaviors such as increased alcohol and tobacco consumption and decreased physical activity [9, 16, 17]. Studies have also demonstrated a positive correlation between employment and better health, improved self-confidence, self-esteem, and happiness [9, 18, 19].

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... p00594.pdf

[Rorschach]

It is general knowledge that long term unemployment and mental health issues are often linked. You're a good example. Next time you visit your doctor ask him/her about the mental health issues which are besieging the young, particularly those who are unemployed. There are numerous articles available to substantiate this - so google it yourself if you want further proof.

The relationship between unemployment and poor health has been well documented [2–6]. The unemployed tend to have higher levels of impaired mental health including depression, anxiety, and stress, as well as higher levels of mental health hospital admissions, chronic disease (cardiovascular disease, hypertension, and musculoskeletal disorders), and premature mortality [2, 5–12]. Some longitudinal studies have shown that higher levels of depression and unemployment are not just correlated, but that higher levels of depression are a result of unemployment [11, 13, 14]. Other prospective studies have found that poor mental health contributes to unemployment [15]. A study by Montgomery et al. [11] showed that subjects who had recently become unemployed had an adjusted relative risk of 2.10 for depression and anxiety compared to those who had not recently become unemployed. When participants with preexisting depression were excluded from the study, those who had greater than thirty-seven months of accumulated unemployment were two times more apt to be depressed or anxious than were the employed (RR = 2.04). Additionally, unemployment is associated with unhealthy behaviors such as increased alcohol and tobacco consumption and decreased physical activity [9, 16, 17]. Studies have also demonstrated a positive correlation between employment and better health, improved self-confidence, self-esteem, and happiness [9, 18, 19].

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... p00594.pdf

Getting off to a flaming good start there mantra.
No proof eh.

Well have to resurrect that thread in the vortex for you.
BTW I have no mental health issues.... you must be "transferring" yet again.

[boxy]

You're pathetic, roach. Change the record you fucking cun.t.