Dont see Holden selling cars for cost price.

[DaS Energy]

The problem is not red or green tape its Governments opposition to anything not using coal or oil. Having a look at members declared shares quite a few take bucks from coal. Even Garrett publicly complained about having coal paid people in his office. That's without the added problem of if a state has coal it has a state owned coal mine supplying a state owned coal burning power station. Rudd took the people gift supplying power among other things, Hunt made phone call to us on it and still it remains at inspection, six years now!

However the Chinese Government loved it that much they leave a standing invitation in place. North Korea now has built the worlds biggest CO2 manufactory plant to supply somebody.

CO2 flashes to gas at -40*C and the DaS Valve now in China, North Korea, and Malaysia converts gas energy into water energy for use in 91% efficient hydro turbine as opposed to coal greedy steam turbine of 30% efficiency.

Wonder how may Kilowatts go into making a Holden. Apparently enough that China's now low cost electricity sees Holden abandon America its mother country out of love to boost the Chinese economy.

[Chard]

Can someone fluent in gibbering crazy translate that shit to English?

[IQS.RLOW]

Can someone fluent in gibbering crazy translate that shit to English?

The laws of physics and thermodynamics are so beyond me that I waste my time on teh interwebz wasting everyone else's time

That about covers it.

[DaS Energy]

God its good to get rid of the parasite Holden. It was like a leach and Chard sucking blood out the arsehole.

What we ossie battler paid out of our pocket

$1.5bn - Automotive Assistance 2001 to 2010 Automotive Competitive and Investment Scheme

$12.5m - 2001 Strategic Investment Incentive for the training of automotive industry employees and the development of industry relevant technology (Engine Plant)

$6.7m - 2006 Safety Enhancement Project

$150m - 2011 to 2012 Automotive Transformation Scheme

$189m - 2008 to 2012 Green Car Innovation Fund Grants

$3m - 2010 to 2011 Automotive Supply Chain Development Program

$1,864,107,018 - Subtotal automotive programs assistance

$215m - Not yet paid. 2012 New Generation Co-Investment Grant.

$2,079,107,018 - Total Automotive Programs Assistance

$78,640,619 - General assistance 2001 to 2012 under Tradex scheme where importers gain exemption on customs duties and GST on goods to be re-exported.

$17,199,894 - Vocational education training programs.

$2,174,947,53 - Total of benefits paid, gained or pledged January 1, 2001, to December 31, 2012.

From the South Australian Government

$30 million - Attracting production of Holden Cruze to Elizabeth.

$5 million - Labour adjustment following the downsizing of vehicle operations (closure of third shift).

$1 million - GM Holden secondary employment activity to assist workers to find employment while on reduced shifts.

$2.2 million - Safety enhancement project.

$38.2m - Total grants paid

$50 million - pledged but not paid for the new generation vehicle. Due in 2016-17 and 2017-18 financial years.

$88.2m - Total paid or pledged

[Rorschach]

Gee free trade agreements are US government policy.... gee does that involve lowering tariffs?

Then name the trade agreement the US has with that requires you to drop your tariffs for everyone. That would be a reversal of over sixty fucking years worth of US economic policy.

BTW I know what our governments have done wrong unlike yourself I'm up to speed with my country thank... moron.

Yet you have no goddamn idea of economics of the history of US/Australia economic policy.

Like I asked before, do you have any opinions that are even remotely informed or are you always full of shit?

I don't claim to know the innies and outies of everything US Chard... but if one thing in life is certain you are pretty clueless about Australia... happy to be an Aussie.... better than your alternative.

[Chard]

I don't claim to know the innies and outies of everything US Chard... but if one thing in life is certain you are pretty clueless about Australia... happy to be an Aussie.... better than your alternative.

Typical. You make yet another claim and when called on it you backpeddle so hard I could set you on a stationary bike chained to a generator and solve the fucking energy crisis. When you feel threatened by someone that's clearer more intelligent than you are do you always hide behind rabid jingoism to hide your intellectual inadequacy?

[Rorschach]

I don't claim to know the innies and outies of everything US Chard... but if one thing in life is certain you are pretty clueless about Australia... happy to be an Aussie.... better than your alternative.

Typical. You make yet another claim and when called on it you backpeddle so hard I could set you on a stationary bike chained to a generator and solve the fucking energy crisis. When you feel threatened by someone that's clearer more intelligent than you are do you always hide behind rabid jingoism to hide your intellectual inadequacy?

I never backpedal...
You are a clueless septic.

[Chard]

You just backpeddled again, you stupid bastard.

[DaS Energy]

Best thing about Australia's free trade agreement with America is us punters are no longer paying of Americas debts. Its so broke its letting China build Holden's and sell them in attempt to stop China foreclosing on America. Wonder if Holdens new headlights will be squint eyed.

[Rorschach]

You just backpeddled again, you stupid bastard.

repeating yourself BTW won't ever make you right... tard.