China-Japan

[AiA in Atlanta]

China gone too far?

WASHINGTON, Nov 26 (Reuters) - Two U.S. military aircraft have flown around disputed islands in the East China Sea without informing China, the Pentagon said on Tuesday, defying China's declaration that the region falls into a new airspace defense zone.

"We have conducted operations in the area of the Senkakus. We have continued to follow our normal procedures, which include not filing flight plans, not radioing ahead and not registering our frequencies," spokesman Colonel Steve Warren said, using the Japanese name for the islands.

There was no Chinese response, Warren said.

China published coordinates for an "East China Sea Air Defence Identification Zone" over the weekend and warned it would take "defensive emergency measures" against aircraft that failed to identify themselves properly in the airspace.

The zone covers most of that sea and includes the skies over islands at the heart of a territorial dispute with Japan.

The United States and close ally Japan have sharply criticized the move, with U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel calling it a "destabilizing attempt to alter the status quo in the region." He said on Saturday the United States would not change how it operates in the region.

The White House said that the dispute between China and Japan over the islands should be solved diplomatically.

"The policy announced by the Chinese over the weekend is unnecessarily inflammatory," White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters in California, where President Barack Obama is traveling.

"These are the kinds of differences that should not be addressed with threats or inflammatory language, but rather can and should be resolved diplomatically," he said.

Experts said the Chinese move was aimed at chipping away at Tokyo's claim to administrative control over the area, including the tiny uninhabited islands known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China.

While Washington does not take a position on the sovereignty of the islands, it recognizes that Japan has administrative control over them and is therefore bound by treaty to defend Japan in the event of an armed conflict.

The Pentagon said the flights took place on Monday evening Eastern Standard Time and "involved two aircraft flying from Guam and returning to Guam" on a training mission.

Warren said the U.S. military aircraft were neither observed nor were contacted by the Chinese aircraft.

AMBASSADORS SUMMONED

China's Defence Ministry said on Monday it had lodged protests with the U.S. and Japanese embassies in Beijing over the criticism from Washington and Tokyo of the zone.

China also summoned Japan's ambassador, warning Tokyo to "stop (their) words and actions which create friction and harm regional stability", China's Foreign Ministry said. Meanwhile, Tokyo and Seoul summoned Chinese diplomats to protest.

In addition, China sent its sole aircraft carrier on a training mission into the South China Sea on Tuesday amid maritime disputes with the Philippines and other neighbors and tension over its airspace defense zone in waters disputed with Japan.

The Liaoning, bought used from Ukraine and refurbished in China, has conducted more than 100 exercises and experiments since it was commissioned last year but this is the first time it has been sent to the South China Sea.

The Liaoning left port from the northern city of Qingdao accompanied by two destroyers and two frigates, the Chinese navy said on an official news website.

[mantra]

You would think Japan would be more tolerant of China than the US - especially after Nagasaki and Hiroshima. There must still be a lot of underlying hatred for the US.

It looks like China and the US are chomping at the bit to start WWIII.

[AiA in Atlanta]

Japan is quite tolerant of China. China, however, is not tolerant of Japan. You will find very little dislike of America and Americans in Japan.

[Rorschach]

You would think Japan would be more tolerant of China than the US - especially after Nagasaki and Hiroshima. There must still be a lot of underlying hatred for the US.

It looks like China and the US are chomping at the bit to start WWIII.

Japan invaded China... I doubt the Chinese have forgotten that.
I doubt either country are looking to start WWIII.

[Neferti]

Japan is quite tolerant of China. China, however, is not tolerant of Japan. You will find very little dislike of America and Americans in Japan.

That is my experience too.

[mantra]

It looks like Australia has decided to interfere and rebuke China. This is all we need - a new government who likes stepping on the toes of warring nations. We should have just left it up to the US to butt in - they're better at it than us. They've flown a couple of bombers over the disputed area as a warning to China. It's hardly likely China will take that aggressive warning passively.

They're both eager to try out their new nuclear weaponry on each other. The Abbott government is helping to increase the enmity - something the previous government never did. Rudd was a diplomat.

China is one of our largest trading partners. We don't need to get them offside.

The Chinese government has delivered an angry rebuke over "irresponsible remarks" made by Foreign Minister Julie Bishop regarding its newly declared air defence zone in the East China Sea, in the latest diplomatic headache for the Abbott government in Asia.

Ms Bishop summoned Chinese ambassador Ma Zhaoxu on Monday to express the government's concern over the new zone, which covers airspace over a string of uninhabited islands - known as Diaoyu in China and Senkaku in Japan - at the centre of a longstanding territorial dispute between the two regional powers.

But in a sternly worded statement on Wednesday, the Chinese foreign ministry warned Ms Bishop to ''correct'' her characterisation of its new air defence zone or risk damaging bilateral ties.

"It is completely a mistake for Australia to make irresponsible remarks on China's establishment of an air defence identification zone in the East China Sea, and the Chinese side will not accept it," foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said. "China urges Australia to correct its mistake immediately to prevent damaging Sino-Australia relations."

Wang Xiangsui, a retired colonel of the People's Liberation Army, said Australia had offended China by taking sides with Japan.

"Australia says it is trying to become China's strategic partner, but it doesn't even consider respecting China's security interests."

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... 2ya2q.html

Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has decried China's attempt to alter the status quo in the region “forcibly and unilaterally”.

The United States has also raised its concerns over the air zone and, in a challenge to China, yesterday flew two B-52 bombers flew over the disputed area without informing Beijing.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6769227239

[Rorschach]

It looks like Australia has decided to interfere and rebuke China. This is all we need - a new government who likes stepping on the toes of warring nations. Hate to tell you because you hate being corrected, but... nobody is warring. We should have just left it up to the US to butt in - they're better at it than us. They've flown a couple of bombers over the disputed area as a warning to China. It's hardly likely China will take that aggressive warning passively. So suddenly claiming an area with another country's islands isn't aggressive?

They're both eager to try out their new nuclear weaponry on each other. Rubbish... The Abbott government is helping to increase the enmity Rubbish... - something the previous government never did. Rudd was a diplomat. Rudd was an egocentric narcissistic psychopath... remember he called the Chinese, Rat Fuckers mantra? no...

China is one of our largest trading partners. We don't need to get them offside. oh so suddenly the Greenie cares about trading partners... puhlease no one believes you are being genuine about that.

The Chinese government has delivered an angry rebuke over "irresponsible remarks" made by Foreign Minister Julie Bishop regarding its newly declared air defence zone in the East China Sea, in the latest diplomatic headache for the Abbott government in Asia.

Ms Bishop summoned Chinese ambassador Ma Zhaoxu on Monday to express the government's concern over the new zone, which covers airspace over a string of uninhabited islands - known as Diaoyu in China and Senkaku in Japan - at the centre of a longstanding territorial dispute between the two regional powers.

But in a sternly worded statement on Wednesday, the Chinese foreign ministry warned Ms Bishop to ''correct'' her characterisation of its new air defence zone or risk damaging bilateral ties.

"It is completely a mistake for Australia to make irresponsible remarks on China's establishment of an air defence identification zone in the East China Sea, and the Chinese side will not accept it," foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said. "China urges Australia to correct its mistake immediately to prevent damaging Sino-Australia relations."

Wang Xiangsui, a retired colonel of the People's Liberation Army, said Australia had offended China by taking sides with Japan.

"Australia says it is trying to become China's strategic partner, but it doesn't even consider respecting China's security interests."

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi ... 2ya2q.html

Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has decried China's attempt to alter the status quo in the region “forcibly and unilaterally”.

The United States has also raised its concerns over the air zone and, in a challenge to China, yesterday flew two B-52 bombers flew over the disputed area without informing Beijing.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6769227239

[Chard]

Ok, everyone read the articles carefully and you'll notice a couple of key facts.

1. China is unilaterally declaring that air space over what is considered to be international ocean in now theirs essentially, which is illegal under multiple treaties.

2. China and Japan both contest a few islands and associated mineral wealth in the East China Sea, by trying to enforce this air defense zone (which they can't by the way, see #3), China is blatantly attempting to circumvent established treaty law concerning handling of territorial disputes.

3. China is claiming an air defense zone over airspace they cannot patrol fully because of their lake of air refueling capability.

4. Neither the US Air Force or the JSDF give one solitary fuck about the Chinese declaration. The USN doesn't either, as you can bet your ass our next trick will be something along the lines of us driving a carrier battle group up and down the East China Sea daring those little communist sons of bitches to jump. Bet they blink first.

[IQS.RLOW]

Yes, it's quite amusing to see the lefties here wringing their hands and bedwetting over our foreign minister raising this issue with China directly through the established diplomatic protocols, where the US immediately flies two B-52 into the zone and tests their bomb bay doors.

[Rorschach]

You would think Japan would be more tolerant of China than the US - especially after Nagasaki and Hiroshima. There must still be a lot of underlying hatred for the US.

It looks like China and the US are chomping at the bit to start WWIII.

Haven't I already told you japan invaded China?