Should Australia become a republic?

[mellie]

At the end of the day, despite our differences as to what truly constitutes for a system of government being a republic, I think we can all agree that Australia has earned her stripes for being among the most prosperous and content nations in the world, so my philosophy is, if it's not broke, why fix it?

It is true, we have egotistical self-interested,opportunistic politicking moneyed politicians from both sides of politics (more so Labor i'm afraid) who would dearly love to re-write their own laws, modify/dump/rewrite our protective constitution to suit themselves, without having to consult with the Australian public on all manner of legislation, ie, same-sex marriage, the way we vote, legislation concerning our civil liberties, rights and freedoms, the way they have to now should they wish to pass radical legislation, or risk electoral annihilation.

I suppose, there are some genuine pro-republicans out there (I think Joe Hockey probably has his heart in the right place, not Turnbull and Keating however) who would like to propose a genuinely 'fair' republican model for the Australian public to decide either for or against themselves, though few have been forthright in providing their models for public scrutiny.

It's not just a matter of "Should Australia become a republic"... it's a matter of if this is what Australians want "What kind of Republic should Australia become" and or if it'll be better than our existing system of government.
This appears to be where the conflict among our politicians lies also, whereby neither side of politics can decide between the main 4 proposed models and agree on just one it seems.


I am by no means a royalist, nor a fan of Queen Elisabeth II ..(Though I did and still do think highly of a more personable, perceptive and politically astute Queen Mother) it's the protective and comparably fair (to that of other nations) system of government we enjoy here in Australia that appeals to me most.

The Queens mummy was no dummy.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ssion.html

[Chard]

They regard themselves as being a Sovereign Republic.

Again, sovereign has absolutely nothing to do with a Monarchy in this case, you fucking retard. Singapore hasn't had a native Monarch since Tengku Alam Shah bin Tengku Ali Iskandar Shah passed away in 1891 and Singapore as been an Repubic since they declared Independance from the UK in 1961, ending their period of having a foreign monarch.

It's you who needs an education, but then again, public education isn’t much chop in the US is it, as has been demonstrated.

Now, you've gotten every single fucking claim you've made factually wrong and you're trying to tell me about who has the better educational system? You don't know what any of the political terms being used and you fail at history. For fuck's sake, you don't even know that "sovereign" is a synonym for "independant". You're a goddamn embarrassment to your country and its educational system. Seriously, shut the fuck up already.

Like I said, Singapore’s Sovereign Republic is merely a form of a constitutional Monarchy.

Then name their monarch, shit-for-brains. You can't because they don't have one.

[mellie]

We are talking about systems of government, and how they function.

Not re-badged Constitutional Monarchies claiming they are now a republic, simply because they call themselves such by name.

This is where you got caught out...you googled republics by name, without having delved into any of the nations you listed systems of government.

And even then, you couldn’t even get that right, failed to list the10 richest nations in their correct order according to your own IMF source.

Can you even read?


If you don’t get it by now choad, you never will.

Singapore’s republic is pure tokenism, their "president" ceremonial.
He looks and walks like a president, but he waves like the Queen.



Gotta love Americans who think because a given nation calls themselves a republic this means they must be a true republic and aspire to be just like them.

Sorry chum, but their republic is nothing like the the USA's republic, rather is a Constitutional Monarchy re-badged.

Why is this so hard for you to accept?

That because they call themselves a sovereign republic by name their system of government must function as such also?

Talk about thick.





Here it is again, straight from the Singapore Governments mouth....

http://www.pmo.gov.sg/content/pmosite/a ... hWMqrx5MxB

LEARN!

[Chard]

We are talking about systems of government, and how they function.

No, you started that line of bullshit as a distraction tactic to not have to face up to the fact that you don't know what the word "sovereign" means in relation to a republic. Even worse, you don't know that Westminster-style parliaments are common in republics.

Not re-badged Constitutional Monarchies claiming they are now a republic, simply because they call themselves such by name.

They haven't had a fucking monarch in fifty years, you vapid twat. Christ, will you just admit you're wrong and move the fuck on already?

This is where you got caught out...you googled republics by name, without having delved into any of the nations you listed systems of government.

You didn't catch out anything, you daft bitch. You have no idea what the terms being used mean and no amount of selectively quoting Wiki is going to change that key fact. If you don't have a monarch you cannot be a fucking monarchy. It really is that simple.

And even then, you couldn’t even get that right, failed to list the10 richest nations in their correct order according to your own IMF source.

Oh, you mean the supposed list that you couldn't even give a specific link to and when asked for the specific article you got your list from you suddenly switch topics to this bullshit "rebadged monarchy" strawman?

Singapore’s republic is pure tokenism, their "president" ceremonial.
He looks and walks like a president, but he waves like the Queen.

Wait, you're saying that an elected official is somehow a monarch? Are you fucking high?

Gotta love Americans who think because a given nation calls themselves a republic this means they must be a true republic and aspire to be just like them.

So besides strawmen you also know the No-True-Scot fallacy. Ok, then define in your own words what a republic is in five paragraphs or less.

Sorry chum, but their republic is nothing like the the USA's republic, rather is a Constitutional Monarchy re-badged.

How can it be a monarchy rebadged without a fucking monarch? Also, no shit they aren't a US-style republic. We operate our republic on a Federal system, not a parliamentary one. You do know that there is more than one kind of Republic, right?

Why is this so hard for you to accept?

Because your assertions are the wrongest bullshit in the history of wrong bullshit.

That because they call themselves a sovereign republic by name their system of government must function as such also?

Yes, because Mellie is now the final arbiter of what kind of government a given nation has and never mind what those misguided fool in Singapore think the government of their own country is, because by God if Mellie says it then it must be true!

Yes, that was sarcasm, you halfwit.

[mellie]

Yes, because Mellie is now the final arbiter of what kind of government a given nation has and never mind what those misguided fool in Singapore think the government of their own country is, because by God if Mellie says it then it must be true!

No, like I said, this was from the horses mouth, is the government the Singapore government themselves claim they have.

You still cant read can you.

http://www.pmo.gov.sg/content/pmosite/a ... hWrjbx5MxC

[mellie]

Singapore’s president is not unlike Australia’s Governor General Quentin Bryce.

His duties are merely ceremonial, unlike a true republics President, such as Americas Obama BinLaden...eer, rather Borak Osama, sorry, I always get the two mixed up.

http://www.istana.gov.sg/content/istana/index.html

Only he probably hasn’t spent $100,000 in 2.5 years on flowers , the way our pro-republican GG Bryce has.

http://www.teleflora.com/flower-news/po ... 20818.aspx

Our pro- republican GG comes across as being rather insecure, vain and brittle... not to mention self-indulgent and superficial.



You see, our GG is doing as rotten a job as possible to convince Australians they don’t need her afterall.
Her husband, Michael Bryce of Ausflag helped design what she hopes will some day be our new republican Australian flag and would like her daughter Chloe Bryce to become Australia’s first Lady.
This can only happen if Bill Shorten (GG's son-in-law) and ALP federal minister becomes Mr President.

[AiA in Atlanta]

our future lies in Asia.

Australians have been saying that for ... how long now? When does this grand Asian future begin? Australia's foreseeable future lies in the Anglosphere.

[mellie]

our future lies in Asia.

Australians have been saying that for ... how long now? When does this grand Asian future begin? Australia's foreseeable future lies in the Anglosphere.

Very true... and I am fed up with hearing about the Asian Century too.

Rudds a Chinaphile..

''The Chinese people are a great people,'' he told them. ''Chinese migrants are fantastic migrants, Chinese families are close families, Chinese culture is an extraordinary culture and Chinese civilisation is a great civilisation.''- KRUDD

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... z2chvrwBWa

Wow, I have never heard him speak this passionately about Australians and our culture.
Perhaps he doesn’t think we have one.
I have it on good word that Rudd doesn’t believe we insects are worth celebrating.
Keating was the same, had a dark contemptuous loathing for his nations people he regularly berated.

Rudds daughter Jessica must have pleased her father when she married a wealthy good-looking Chinaman.
The only difficulty she had when she introduced her fiancée to her father was stopping Kevin from humping his leg.

Lu Kewin <---- Rudds Chinese name he fashioned himself when he first became obsessed with China, though claims a teacher called him that once at school. It's BS!

[AiA in Atlanta]

He is right about Chinese emigrants - they do well where ever they go. If China is a great a place as Rudd claims, why do so many Chinese get the hell out as soon as they can?

[AiA in Atlanta]

The USA is further encircling China with military bases. The newest is Saipan. Think Australia isn't a part of this?