NSW a step closer to gay marriage

[mellie]

Gay marriage should be decided by all Australians, by way of referendum, and not on the same day as a federal or state election.

Personally, I am opposed to gay/same-sex marriage for a number of reasons.

[Rorschach]

Totally agree with your comments Mel, if the issue needs to be decided everyone should get a vote on it not just a few pollies.
Been saying that for ages.

[Black Orchid]

There were about 33,700 same-sex couples in Australia, according to the 2011 census

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Big decision to make for such a small minority. There's only one reason why they won't hold a referendum and that's because it would fail.

[Rorschach]

And not all of them want to get married...
They are afraid to hold a referendum on it, because they know they will fail.
So they are trying to pressure weak minded pollies and progs to get their way.

[mantra]

We are a conservative regressive country today and we weren't 30 years ago. It's not just this issue of gay marriage which is dragging behind most of the developed nations, it's health and education also. We're ripe for exploitation because of our backward stance on too many issues. Ultimately it makes no difference which major party is in government, both have sold us out to foreigners because of our indecisiveness. It doesn't matter if Australia becomes a giant quarry and relies on imports to survive - the majority disagree on gay marriage and refugees and that's about all our politicians sell to us aside from their usual pork barreling.

[dick tracy]

Normal: regular, conforming to the standard, the average, what the general population strive for.

A normal human lifespan:
birth
marriage
parenthood
death

What some people really are wanting is for abnormal to be defined as normal.

Then the normal definition of marriage can include abnormal human behaviour.
Where does it end.
Challenging the normal definition of marriage between two humans of man & woman then challenges the definition of marriage itself.
Western societies have an aspect of morality, respect and civility in marriage by defining that marriage is between adults, and that the adult has to be of a certain age (16-18).
Perhaps that aspect is next to be challenged. As some societies and/or religions define marriage as with an adult and a child (as defined by western countries). How young can the child be. If it is accepted to be 10 then why not 8 or even 6.

Then there's the challenge for poligamous marriages, and make that the normal behaviour for adults in some civiliastions.
Should marriage also be between a human and an animal.
Some people are wanting that also.

Then eventually can have marriage as between an adult and a couple of young 10 year old children and even the household's pet dog.

Would that be the equality that certain religions and pressure groups are really striving for? And if they say noi, then does that mean they just don't have that as there agenda just yet.

Making abnormal behaviour to be defined or accepted as normal behaviour helps propagate that unacceptable behaviour.

[mellie]

It would be undemocratic of us to consider, let alone pass legislation on same-sex marriage without having consulted Australians via referendum first.

I'm a Liberal voter, though am not a fan of Barry O'Farrell and place him in the same bag as Malcolm Turnbull.

Abbott should dump the pair of them.


Both are treacherous, opportunistic and self-absorbed. ..and should have joined the ALP instead.

[Aussie]

Fucked if I can see the problem. My only bitch about it is the use of the word 'marriage' but mellie has just lectured me that I really ought not care about badges.

[mellie]

Fucked if I can see the problem. My only bitch about it is the use of the word 'marriage' but mellie has just lectured me that I really ought not care about badges.

The left have artificially boosted the degree of public support in favour of same-sex marriage, and don’t wish to take this to referendum because doing so might clarify what most of us know already.

In order for this to be legislated, I think at least a large majority of our nations people should approve of same-sex marriage, at least 70%.
Why introduce legislation 50% of the country feel repulsed or opposed to?
This will only serve to further stigmatise a minority, by way of pissing off a majority.
You cant force tolerance, acceptance.
A government is supposed to represent and act/legislate on behalf of it's nations people, not itself, to appease a minority of people for politicking purposes.

Ie...

The ballot form should read as follows...

Should Australia legalise same-sex marriage (keep it simple)

a) Yes

b) unsure

c) don’t care

d) No


Unsure votes should be re-distributed to the 'no' votes tally.

Dont care votes should be split 50/50 and redistributed evenly between the yes and no groups tally..

[mellie]

Normal: regular, conforming to the standard, the average, what the general population strive for.

A normal human lifespan:
birth
marriage
parenthood
death

What some people really are wanting is for abnormal to be defined as normal.

Then the normal definition of marriage can include abnormal human behaviour.
Where does it end.
Challenging the normal definition of marriage between two humans of man & woman then challenges the definition of marriage itself.
Western societies have an aspect of morality, respect and civility in marriage by defining that marriage is between adults, and that the adult has to be of a certain age (16-18).
Perhaps that aspect is next to be challenged. As some societies and/or religions define marriage as with an adult and a child (as defined by western countries). How young can the child be. If it is accepted to be 10 then why not 8 or even 6.

Then there's the challenge for poligamous marriages, and make that the normal behaviour for adults in some civiliastions.
Should marriage also be between a human and an animal.
Some people are wanting that also.

Then eventually can have marriage as between an adult and a couple of young 10 year old children and even the household's pet dog.

Would that be the equality that certain religions and pressure groups are really striving for? And if they say noi, then does that mean they just don't have that as there agenda just yet.

Making abnormal behaviour to be defined or accepted as normal behaviour helps propagate that unacceptable behaviour.

This is your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

I happen to agree with you on a number of thing you raise here.

However, we are supposed to be a democracy, thus the vote should be extended to all Australians should indicators suggest (which I dont believe they do) legislating same-sex marriage is what at least 50% of Australians feel passionate about.

Personally, I think the average Australian has more pressing things on their mind, ie, the economy, border security...jobs, health, education, housing affordability a looming recession etc....
How many Australians get up in the morning and ponder over a bowl of cornflakes just how much better life would be if same-sex marriage were legislated in their country?



Far time our politicking politicians focused on legislation that actually matters, and resonates with a majority of Australians, not a minority in order to appear fashionably progressive and 'hip' to secure votes.