Should Australia become a republic?

[Neferti]

Chard,

Remember well that "America" became a democratic country through VIOLENCE (war). Australia became a democratic country through a VOTE (discussion). That IS the difference.

Aussies do NOT want to be like Americans (or anybody else, including the UK). We do NOT envy you. I think you envy us a bit ...... this Large Brown Land will never be full to the brim like the USA is.

My Country

The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes.
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins,
Strong love of grey-blue distance
Brown streams and soft dim skies
I know but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror -
The wide brown land for me!

A stark white ring-barked forest
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon.
Green tangle of the brushes,
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops
And ferns the warm dark soil.

Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When sick at heart, around us,
We see the cattle die -
But then the grey clouds gather,
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady, soaking rain.

Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the Rainbow Gold,
For flood and fire and famine,
She pays us back threefold -
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze.

An opal-hearted country,
A wilful, lavish land -
All you who have not loved her,
You will not understand -
Though earth holds many splendours,
Wherever I may die,
I know to what brown country
My homing thoughts will fly.

Dorothea Mackellar

[mellie]

Chard,

Remember well that "America" became a democratic country through VIOLENCE (war). Australia became a democratic country through a VOTE (discussion). That IS the difference.

Aussies do NOT want to be like Americans (or anybody else, including the UK). We do NOT envy you. I think you envy us a bit ...... this Large Brown Land will never be full to the brim like the USA is.

My Country

The love of field and coppice,
Of green and shaded lanes.
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins,
Strong love of grey-blue distance
Brown streams and soft dim skies
I know but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror -
The wide brown land for me!

A stark white ring-barked forest
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon.
Green tangle of the brushes,
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops
And ferns the warm dark soil.

Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When sick at heart, around us,
We see the cattle die -
But then the grey clouds gather,
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady, soaking rain.

Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the Rainbow Gold,
For flood and fire and famine,
She pays us back threefold -
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze.

An opal-hearted country,
A wilful, lavish land -
All you who have not loved her,
You will not understand -
Though earth holds many splendours,
Wherever I may die,
I know to what brown country
My homing thoughts will fly.

Dorothea Mackellar

Spot on!
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[Chard]

I think where you might be getting a little confused is when a given nations system of government doesn’t strictly claim to fall within either category, ie Qatar .....or Singapore, which describes itself as a Sovereign Republic, which is just a Constitutional Monarchy re-badged.

What the fuck are you smoking?

1. Singapore isn't a "sovereign republic", they're a unitary parliamentary constitutional republic. 2. In this case the word sovereign means "independent" and has nothing to do with having a monarchy at all.

Fucking hell, I'm talking to someone who has no fucking idea what any of the political terms used here actually mean.

Next up, where on the IMF's site did you find the information you posted? You linked to their index page, not an actual article. So until you post the specific article you got those numbers from I'm going to assume they're rectal extraction figures (i.e. you pulled them out of your ass), and the numbers I previously cited still stand.

Now Chardles, suck back your drool and do your homework more thoroughly next time, this isn’t a sheltered workshop.

Clean the jizz out of your ears, dumbass. For fuck's sake, you think the word "sovereign" automatically implies a monarchy.

Another link worthy of bookmarking, for comparison sakes with respects to nations systems of government and how terminology varies, depending on the source.

Or you could take out a student loan and get a fucking education. The ironic thing here is you give a link to a site of polisci definitions and don't know what the word "sovereign" means.

Seriously, go play in traffic, you chlorinated gene pool.

[Chard]

Remember well that "America" became a democratic country through VIOLENCE (war). Australia became a democratic country through a VOTE (discussion). That IS the difference.

That's a matter of timing more than anything else. When we declared our independence from England, the British Empire was still a true global imperial power with the largest navy in the world. We did try to dicuss thing with King George, but that didn't work, so we picked a fight knowing full well that at the time England simply could not afford the troops to put down a rebellion in the Americas while fighting France and Spain elsewhere. And unlike you or Canada, we don't bother with the pretense of bowing to a foreign monarch, because unlike you the United States is a true sovereign nation.

When you guys voted to become independent the British Empire was already starting to collapse and the British had pretty much resigned themselves most of their major colonial possessions opting to become independent nations. Once again, the Americans (to be fair, losing India played a key role as well), did the hard work for you.

Aussies do NOT want to be like Americans (or anybody else, including the UK). We do NOT envy you. I think you envy us a bit ...... this Large Brown Land will never be full to the brim like the USA is.

You can say that all you like, but it won't change the fact that you guys ape us in damn near everything you do. Stop saying you're not like us and actually stop being like us.

[mellie]

I think where you might be getting a little confused is when a given nations system of government doesn’t strictly claim to fall within either category, ie Qatar .....or Singapore, which describes itself as a Sovereign Republic, which is just a Constitutional Monarchy re-badged.

What the fuck are you smoking?

1. Singapore isn't a "sovereign republic", they're a unitary parliamentary constitutional republic. 2. In this case the word sovereign means "independent" and has nothing to do with having a monarchy at all.

Fucking hell, I'm talking to someone who has no fucking idea what any of the political terms used here actually mean.

Next up, where on the IMF's site did you find the information you posted? You linked to their index page, not an actual article. So until you post the specific article you got those numbers from I'm going to assume they're rectal extraction figures (i.e. you pulled them out of your ass), and the numbers I previously cited still stand.

Now Chardles, suck back your drool and do your homework more thoroughly next time, this isn’t a sheltered workshop.

Clean the jizz out of your ears, dumbass. For fuck's sake, you think the word "sovereign" automatically implies a monarchy.

Another link worthy of bookmarking, for comparison sakes with respects to nations systems of government and how terminology varies, depending on the source.

Or you could take out a student loan and get a fucking education. The ironic thing here is you give a link to a site of polisci definitions and don't know what the word "sovereign" means.

Seriously, go play in traffic, you chlorinated gene pool.

This is the Singapore governments website.

http://www.gov.sg/government/web/conten ... c/about_us

They regard themselves as being a Sovereign Republic.

It's you who needs an education, but then again, public education isn’t much chop in the US is it, as has been demonstrated.

Like I said, Singapore’s Sovereign Republic is merely a form of a constitutional Monarchy.

Not unlike a Crowned republic.



LEARN Fucktard.

[mellie]

And why is Singapore’s self described Sovereign Republic a constitutional Monarch re-badged?


Because it's executive power rests with the Cabinet of Singapore, led by the Prime Minister, and a token president, for their President merely makes a few key decisions, after being elected through popular vote, and has some veto powers such as the use of the national reserves and the appointment of judges, but otherwise their president occupies a ceremonial post, does not wield power the way a president does in a true republic.

Their people call the shots, not their ceremonial president elected by popular vote.



The Parliament serves as the legislative branch of government, and members of Parliament (MPs) consist of elected, non-constituency and nominated members. Elected MPs are voted into parliament on a "first-past-the-post" (plurality) basis and represent either single-member or group-representation constituencies.

Singapore is a parliamentary republic with a Westminster system of unicameral parliamentary government.

-Wiki

In a nutshell, they're a constitutional Monarchy re-badged.

Their system of government serves and behaves much like a constitutional Monarchy, though they have ditched the crown.

The republic factor, and their popular-vote president more or less assumes a ceremonial post.


And remember, just because it sounds like a republic, doesn’t mean it is.

[Aussie]

Their system of government serves and behaves like a constitutional Monarchy, though they have ditched the crown.

The instant you 'ditch the crown,' you are no longer a 'constitutional Monarchy.'

[mellie]

Their system of government serves and behaves like a constitutional Monarchy, though they have ditched the crown.

The instant you 'ditch the crown,' you are no longer a 'constitutional Monarchy.'

Perhaps not technically, though the system of government itself functions like a Constitutional Monarchy, therefore is not a true republic.

Singapore’s "Republic" factor is as ceremonial as it's president.

Good morning Aussie.

Hope you've had your weet-bix.

[Aussie]

Perhaps not technically.......

No, not ''perhaps not technically." Not at all. No monarch, no constitutional Monarchy. Stop trying to tap dance in fish oil. You fucked up.

[dick tracy]

Singapore is a republic.
Perhaps the confusion is due to that Singapore is a member of the commonwealth. As is Malaysia, and Malaysia is a constitutional monarchy.
And that when Singapore gained it's independence from the UK in 1963 it was still governed by Malaysia and Malaysia's system. But then in 1965 Singapore gained independence from Malaysia as well.
Result is that Singapore is independent, a member of the commonwealth and is a republic.