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Leftofcentresalterego

re opposites

Post by Leftofcentresalterego » Fri May 08, 2009 11:13 am

We need to cancel that FTA! Another fuckup from Howard
Yes. Howard era policies - the gifts that just keep on giving and giving - giving us another kick in the face.

Hoo boy, with their economy in the toilet and their unemployment still shooting up, the US will be wanting to squeeze as much out of the FTA as possible. Even if it fucks us.

Jovial Monk

Re: Opposites

Post by Jovial Monk » Fri May 08, 2009 1:26 pm

Parable of the fat and lean kine:
Genesis 41:1 And it came to pass at the end of two full years, that Pharaoh dreamed: and, behold, he stood by the river. 41:2 And, behold, there came up out of the river seven well favoured kine and fatfleshed; and they fed in a meadow. 41:3 And, behold, seven other kine came up after them out of the river, ill favoured and leanfleshed; and stood by the [other] kine upon the brink of the river. 41:4 And the ill favoured and leanfleshed kine did eat up the seven well favoured and fat kine. So Pharaoh awoke. 41:5 And he slept and dreamed the second time: and, behold, seven ears of corn came up upon one stalk, rank and good. 41:6 And, behold, seven thin ears and blasted with the east wind sprung up after them. 41:7 And the seven thin ears devoured the seven rank and full ears. And Pharaoh awoke, and, behold, [it was] a dream. 41:8 And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled; and he sent and called for all the magicians of Egypt, and all the wise men thereof: and Pharaoh told them his dream; but [there was] none that could interpret them unto Pharaoh. 41:9 Then spake the chief butler unto Pharaoh, saying, I do remember my faults this day: 41:10 Pharaoh was wroth with his servants, and put me in ward in the captain of the guard's house, [both] me and the chief baker: 41:11 And we dreamed a dream in one night, I and he; we dreamed each man according to the interpretation of his dream. 41:12 And [there was] there with us a young man, an Hebrew, servant to the captain of the guard; and we told him, and he interpreted to us our dreams; to each man according to his dream he did interpret. 41:13 And it came to pass, as he interpreted to us, so it was; me he restored unto mine office, and him he hanged. 41:14 Then Pharaoh sent and called Joseph, and they brought him hastily out of the dungeon: and he shaved [himself], and changed his raiment, and came in unto Pharaoh. 41:15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and [there is] none that can interpret it: and I have heard say of thee, [that] thou canst understand a dream to interpret it. 41:16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, [It is] not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace. 41:17 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river: 41:18 And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, fatfleshed and well favoured; and they fed in a meadow: 41:19 And, behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill favoured and leanfleshed, such as I never saw in all the land of Egypt for badness: 41:20 And the lean and the ill favoured kine did eat up the first seven fat kine: 41:21 And when they had eaten them up, it could not be known that they had eaten them; but they [were] still ill favoured, as at the beginning. So I awoke. 41:22 And I saw in my dream, and, behold, seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good: 41:23 And, behold, seven ears, withered, thin, [and] blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them: 41:24 And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears: and I told [this] unto the magicians; but [there was] none that could declare [it] to me. 41:25 And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, The dream of Pharaoh [is] one: God hath shewed Pharaoh what he [is] about to do. 41:26 The seven good kine [are] seven years; and the seven good ears [are] seven years: the dream [is] one. 41:27 And the seven thin and ill favoured kine that came up after them [are] seven years; and the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of famine. 41:28 This [is] the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh: What God [is] about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh. 41:29 Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt: 41:30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt; and the famine shall consume the land; 41:31 And the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine following; for it [shall be] very grievous. 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; [it is] because the thing [is] established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.
We have had the seven years of the fat kine, the minerals boom, but nothing saved from them, the plenty squandered. Now we have the GFC, the seven years of the lean kine, to weather with no plenty left to draw on.

Why oh why did a minerals boom have to come at a time of a little, venal man sitting in the PM chair and a weak Treasurer who didn't prevent the little man from spending all that revenue from buying elections. Yes we are running budget deficits, with the GFC tax revenues are way down and dole payments are increasing. But we could have financed it from the seven years of fat kine, if the benefits of that had been saved.

If anyone is to blame for the government now having to borrow big it is Howard. Who here doesn't put some money aside for a rainy day?

And if you doubt Howard did waste hundreds of billions of dollars of mining boom revenue, the figures in the smh article below come from Treasury and are verifiable:
More starkly, the Treasury reported that from the 2004-05 budget to the 2007 election, the China boom and a robust economy had added $334 billion in windfall gains to the budget surplus.

Of this, the Howard government spent, or gave away in tax cuts, $314 billion, or 94 per cent. Again, for perspective, this is the size of the entire annual economic output of South Africa or Denmark. Effectively, the extra revenue from the commodity boom has been spent or provided as tax cuts, summarised the Treasury in its summer 2008 Economic Roundup. The study compared Howard's fiscal policy with that of that touchstone of recklessness, prime minister Gough Whitlam.

Recent Howard budgets resembled "Christmas night at the pirate cave", in the phrase of a former budget analyst with the Treasury and Department of Finance, Stephen Anthony, of the consultancy Macroeconomics.com.au. . . .More starkly, the Treasury reported that from the 2004-05 budget to the 2007 election, the China boom and a robust economy had added $334 billion in windfall gains to the budget surplus.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/fiscal-f ... tml?page=6

Since the boom--and buying of elections--started in 2001 much more than $334Bn was wasted.

White Indigene

Re: Opposites

Post by White Indigene » Fri May 08, 2009 2:09 pm

Youre a nutter Monk

every time you post the debt goes up because of Howard. Soon, if you get your way, it will be sixty zillion plus.

Your mad JM.

If you apply you maths to your mouth (posts), you would see that when Kevy started out, there was no net debt.

Your an idiot Monk.

What this means, is that when the Libs get back in, the debt will decrease.

Or, if you are in anyway correct, as soon as the Libs get back in, the debt will be either cancelled, paid, or more likely, not there.

:?

Jovial Monk

Re: Opposites

Post by Jovial Monk » Fri May 08, 2009 2:30 pm

What I said, WI, that Howard presided during a mining boom and got about $400Bn additional revenue, then spent it all! Draw your own conclusions but that is what happened!

Heheheh I love the excuses the blind one-eyed Fibs make but the facts are clear about the money that came in and was wasted on tax cuts, Regional Rorts and the like. The only new bit of infrastructure done was a contribution to the waste of time & money that was the Alice Springs-Darwin Rail line!

Leftofcentresalterego

re opposites

Post by Leftofcentresalterego » Fri May 08, 2009 2:46 pm

There is no God. If there was, he would have struck ratty and tip down with thunderbolts long before they could do what they did :evil:

IQ.

Re: re opposites

Post by IQ. » Fri May 08, 2009 3:14 pm

What? Govern the country to it most prosperous over a long period of time keeping inflation and unemployment at record levels.

Unlike your lot of socialist ratbags who manage to fuck things up every time they get a chance- you fucking idiots will never learn

Jovial Monk

Re: re opposites

Post by Jovial Monk » Fri May 08, 2009 3:41 pm

More crud from the crudmeister.

They took over when the 90's recession was pretty much over, then the mining boom developed and they just sat back, counted the money and used it to buy elections. They were fortunate to take over when they did: that is the extent of their brilliance.

And spare me the crap about them paying back "Labor's Debt" because not only did that include debt from Howard's four large budget deficits they did it by flogging off the family silver cheap. Telstra was flogged of in such a clever way its share price is about a third of the initial price. Tip fiddled at the margin with the budget and that is about it for their economic expertise.

$400Bn boom revenue wasted. $400 thousand million dollars gone and nothing to show for it. That is their real record.

By using that boom money as if it was going to be a permanent flow of revenue they financed their tax cuts for the rich. As everyone knew, the boom would end sometime and it has, but we still have less tax income coming in because of the tax cuts and more money going out because the Rodent gave rich retirees the pension.

Basically Howard was like a man who wins $100 at Lotto for a few weeks, then acts as if it always will bring in $100 a week and buys a house that requires his Lotto winnings to pay the mortgage off. Then his luck evaporates, and with it his mortgage payments and soon his house.

IQ.

Re: re opposites

Post by IQ. » Fri May 08, 2009 3:46 pm

You've sprouted you line of garbage before cockface- back to square one again. You repeating the same lies over and over doesn't make them true.

In fact you even saying it gives more justification that it is a pile of crap because you are known for piles of crap.

Jovial Monk

Re: re opposites

Post by Jovial Monk » Fri May 08, 2009 3:56 pm

Eloquent language there. Lack of facts tho.

I have quoted that smh article (and similar ones before) both here and in the Sheep Pen. Neither you nor Sheepy have refuted it. You can keep both eyes shut, fingers in your ears and sing 'lalalala I can't here you' but the facts are still out there though.

IQ.

Re: re opposites

Post by IQ. » Fri May 08, 2009 4:14 pm

"SMH article" the papaer I wiped my arse with this morning has better content than that rag.
The only fact you have is the huge fucking deficit that your mob have run up in such a short time- very typical. All you fluffy bunnies do is leave the country in debt. Spare me your laughable line about being easily returned to surplus down the track because you fucking know that is a lie. Like a typical lefty fuck you think you can spend your way out of debt- get a fucking clue you stupid fluffy bunny

It took 10 years to pay off the last fucking debt left to us by that fucker cheating- as soon as you lefty fluffy bunnies get your snouts in the trough it gets sucked dry. But according to tweedle dee and tweedle fucking dumb here, it all ok by them- you make me fucking sick

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