The God Of Big Whales and Chimp Water Rides

[JW Frogen]

When you're dead you're dead.

No Walt Disney shit follows. You die, you are no more, that's it!

When you are dead, we don't know. Unlike you, I made no claims about death.

God is about life.

[Pastafarian]

It is, by definition, an act of ego in the futile attempt to rule over the universal.

MASSIVE FAIL. Its merely an acknowledgement of chaos, that the universe only has physical law and nothing else. Assuming your life has some purpose is the act of ego here.

That there is life, existence, order to be is the acknowledgement of order in chaos.

That there can be order from chaos is purpose that trancends ego; ego states that the order than allowed one to think can only think about the chaos in one's ego.

That is the negation of being in order to serve the limited one.

Like a fly without a fire.

Mmmm, you arent a self-help guru are you Frogen all I see are buzzwords arranged into a sentence.

[JW Frogen]

Self help is the credo of the atheist. That is not a criticism of the atheist, that is simply a thought you can not be bothered to entertain.

If any thought?

[Pastafarian]

Self help is the credo of the atheist. That is not a criticism of the atheist, that is simply a thought you can not be bothered to entertain.

If any thought?

Nah, I'm not big into self-help either. The true atheist doesnt need it he just accepts his place in the world and gets the fuck on with it. And marvels at people who dont do likewise.

[JW Frogen]

Nah, I'm not big into self-help either. The true atheist doesnt need it he just accepts his place in the world and gets the fuck on with it. And marvels at people who dont do likewise.

By definition all the atheist has concerning being rather than nothingness is self.

That you even believe you know you understand your place in the wonder that can never be completely understood (what came before the Big Bang) is an act of ego-faith worthy of any religious fundementalist.

[Pastafarian]

Nah, I'm not big into self-help either. The true atheist doesnt need it he just accepts his place in the world and gets the fuck on with it. And marvels at people who dont do likewise.

By definition all the atheist has concerning being rather than nothingness is self.

That you even believe you know you understand your place in the wonder that can never be completely understood (what came before the Big Bang) is an act of ego-faith worthy of any religious fundementalist.

Not quite. Understanding that you dont really have a place is different from understanding your place. In the larger scheme of things none of us matter. To pretend we do, is the egoism you show.

[boxy]

Atheism does not equal nihilism, and all atheists don't fit in the one box any more than all christians, muslims or buddhists do.

As far as I can tell, all of these groups have the full spectrum of humanity in them, only differing in one small belief... which, or even if, god exists.

And what a pointless difference to get worked up about. If it's a god worth bowing down to, it'll understand agnosticism.

[Jovial Monk]

When you're dead you're dead.

No Walt Disney shit follows. You die, you are no more, that's it!

When you are dead, we don't know. Unlike you, I made no claims about death.

God is about life.

What a fucking cop out!

[JW Frogen]

Not quite. Understanding that you dont really have a place is different from understanding your place. In the larger scheme of things none of us matter. To pretend we do, is the egoism you show.

Everyone has a place in the Universe, that is inherent in the very state of being. Though a limited human will never know the totality of that place or their effect. I matter to my son, my freinds, my wife, my lover, to lives I have saved during my military service (whether they knew it was me or not. I changed their lives.) We have a place in the Universe and an effect on other states of being all the time, with every breath. Either for good or ill.

God experience is simply the viceral realisation one has an effect and is effecting all being. That the seperation between 'I' and the Universe is a delusion. It is the very experience of that.

[JW Frogen]

Atheism does not equal nihilism, and all atheists don't fit in the one box any more than all christians, muslims or buddhists do.

As far as I can tell, all of these groups have the full spectrum of humanity in them, only differing in one small belief... which, or even if, god exists.

And what a pointless difference to get worked up about. If it's a god worth bowing down to, it'll understand agnosticism.

No one stated the atheist is less than human; indeed the atheist is confined by the notion of human experience as total experience.

This can lead them to nihilism, or rather the belief there is no purpose to being or it must lead them to the more heroic conclusion they must create their own purpose in being, an act of supreme ego.

Either way all being is limited to personal human experience. Inward, not outward.

God experience is the transcendence of ego, even the human self itself to being with all purpose, the purpose, or meaning, way, Toa, The Force. What ever one primate with limited language wishes to call that which can not be named but will be experienced by every last human, indeed they are experiencing it all the time, if not realizing it.

You will though, you will.