KRudd - not the messiah.

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KRudd - not the messiah.

Post by Rorschach » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:06 pm

Malcolm Mackerras says a switch to Kevin Rudd won't save Labor at the election
Paul Toohey
News Limited Network
June 19, 2013 9:04AM

VETERAN political analyst Malcolm Mackerras says if Labor were to switch to Kevin Rudd in coming days, his famous swing-predicting pendulum would not budge one iota in Labor's favour.

Some recent polling suggests Rudd could give Labor a 50-50 chance against the Coalition. Mackerras says the polls are wrong.

"They're asking people to imagine a situation that won't occur," he says. "The support for Rudd will melt once the Liberal Party gets going. It will melt to the point they won't do better under Rudd than they will under Gillard."

Mackerras says the rout is coming, whoever leads Labor. He says nothing can be done to save the Australian Labor Party, and it's not because voters like Tony Abbott.


The calamity was set in stone on September 7, 2010, when two NSW independents, Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott, both from strong conservative seats, backed Julia Gillard.

Oakeshott's excruciating 17-minute camera-hogging decision to support Gillard in forming a 76-74 seat minority government destroyed any chance the public would ever accept her legitimacy as leader.

People didn't like two independents deciding their government.

"People have never seen Gillard as an elected Prime Minister," says Mackerras. "That's the cross she's had to bear. I think the so-called faceless men didn't see this."

The other crucial error, says Mackerras, is that the party never explained why they replaced Rudd.

"They didn't like to say why they'd done it, because they weren't in the business of tipping s -t over Rudd," says Mackerras. "They were hoping he'd cooperate and go off and become Foreign Minister. They were hoping he wouldn't sabotage, which is not how it worked out.

"Rudd didn't accept his position. He was hopeful that the Labor Party would recognise what to him was an obvious truth - his view was he had made the Labor Party the governing party.

"The Labor Party view was the party had made him Prime Minister."

When Rudd challenged Gillard in February 2012, he was beaten decisively. At that point, Mackerras says, Rudd realised he would never be Prime Minister again.

Mackerras argues when Rudd didn't challenge, in March this year, all Rudd was doing was creating chaos. And he claims Rudd would not accept being drafted by his party during this parliamentary fortnight.

"The reason is that Rudd doesn't want to be Prime Minister," says Mackerras. "He's exacting his revenge. Gillard will take the party to a rout of Whitlam-ite proportions, and he will say, 'I led them to a great victory in 2007, and these idiots replaced me.' certainly seems that way...

"He wants to gloat at Gillard's expense. There's no point in him being Prime Minister now, because he will suffer the rout that Gillard will suffer." yep

He says any initial Rudd bounce would collapse once the Coalition began rolling out ads which reminded people how Rudd lost the support of his party, and identified him as behind the dismantling of John Howard's asylum policies. so true...

The Mackerras Pendulum, which currently shows that the Coalition would win by 103 seats to Labor's 45, with two independents, Andrew Wilkie and Bob Katter, would remain unchanged all the way to September 14.

Mackerras had no admiration for Gillard when she seized power, but came to respect her for taking on difficult policies, such as the Clean Energy Future legislation, the Arrangement with Malaysia, the Murray-Darling settlement, the NDIS and Gonski.

The point is not whether people approved of the policies, he says; it's that Gillard made hard choices. Rudd did not. Actually Gillard betrayed a great many people and has lied and treated them with disrespect ever since.
Mackerras says Rudd's apology to the Stolen Generations played well, but it wasn't hard. "It was a cinch," he says. "He signed up to Kyoto; that was easy. He made seven (key) bad decisions, the worst of which was to dismantle the Pacific solution. It was his worst decision, but it was easy."

Mackerras says most people in the ALP wanted the Pacific solution abolished, so it was painless for Rudd. Since then there has been a reluctant consensus that Howard's policies worked.

"The criticism I'm willing to make against Gillard is that there's no evidence at all that she ever dissented from any of Rudd's decisions," he says.

"All I know is that Gillard will get kicked out big time, or if they're stupid enough to reappoint Rudd he'll be kicked out big time, and Abbott will become Prime Minister not because people want Abbott but because they detest Gillard."

Asked whether Rudd could be of use to Gillard's re-election campaign, Mackerras says: "Nominally, he's doing it, supporting people in difficult seats."

But what if he were to actually speak Gillard's name, and ask people to support her? "He won't do that," says Mackerras. "No one will believe him. He wants Gillard to lead them to the debacle. That's my interpretation."
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Re: KRudd - not the messiah.

Post by Black Orchid » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:41 pm

No-one in their right mind would take over from Gillard at this stage. She sunk the ship and she needs to go down with it.

Doesn't really matter who is at the helm, they are destined for the bottom of the sea.

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Post by Neferti » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:59 pm

Black Orchid wrote:No-one in their right mind would take over from Gillard at this stage. She sunk the ship and she needs to go down with it.

Doesn't really matter who is at the helm, they are destined for the bottom of the sea.
Exactly where they belong. What annoys me is that Gillard will retire on an enormous Pension and she certainly doesn't deserve it.

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Post by Rorschach » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:53 am

Gillard is acting like a brainless harpy... and yes she will have a very nice pension thank you and so will Kevin.
I wonder if she will retire though it looks like both Kevin and her will be returned.
Now won't that make for a nice picture.
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Post by Rorschach » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:52 am

Big week for Kev... will he or won't he... any bets?

I'm thinking won't. (at the moment)
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Post by Rorschach » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:50 pm

Loving the list of ALP flotsom not standing next election... Emerson... good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Post by Black Orchid » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:09 pm

Amazing that some people actually think that Kev is the messiah.

The problem with Labor is that they are ALL in it for personal gain, not for the party. They are all self serving individuals and not party players. Yesterday morning Shorten was backing Gillard but last night he backed KRudd. Shorten was a key player in knifing Rudd so how can he now possibly pretend to effectively support him? How can anyone trust these people?

They knife their leaders on a whim, are divisive and self serving and have been a disgraceful waste of time. Kev doesn't have a hope. They should have let the red headed idiot lead then off the cliff. None of them will be around the next time Labor has a shot so I guess they all want their 5 mins now.

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Post by Neferti » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:14 pm

Black Orchid wrote:Amazing that some people actually think that Kev is the messiah.

The problem with Labor is that they are ALL in it for personal gain, not for the party. They are all self serving individuals and not party players. Yesterday morning Shorten was backing Gillard but last night he backed KRudd. Shorten was a key player in knifing Rudd so how can he now possibly pretend to effectively support him? How can anyone trust these people?

They knife their leaders on a whim, are divisive and self serving and have been a disgraceful waste of time. Kev doesn't have a hope. They should have let the red headed idiot lead then off the cliff. None of them will be around the next time Labor has a shot so I guess they all want their 5 mins now.
They are ALL stating that they won't stand at the Election. Puffy faced Rudd and his bloated wife and uninspired looking kids and grandkids, all lurking, Bibles in hands ........... and they think Tony Abbott will use his religion ...... bullshit

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Post by Neferti » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:15 pm

Black Orchid wrote:Amazing that some people actually think that Kev is the messiah.

The problem with Labor is that they are ALL in it for personal gain, not for the party. They are all self serving individuals and not party players. Yesterday morning Shorten was backing Gillard but last night he backed KRudd. Shorten was a key player in knifing Rudd so how can he now possibly pretend to effectively support him? How can anyone trust these people?

They knife their leaders on a whim, are divisive and self serving and have been a disgraceful waste of time. Kev doesn't have a hope. They should have let the red headed idiot lead then off the cliff. None of them will be around the next time Labor has a shot so I guess they all want their 5 mins now.
They are ALL stating that they won't stand at the Election. Puffy faced Rudd and his bloated wife and uninspired looking kids and grandkids, all lurking, Bibles in hands ........... and they think Tony Abbott will use his religion ...... bullshit

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Post by Mattus » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:31 pm

If crean and carr (the good one, not that cross eyed, drooling faggot) replace combet and Emerson in their portfolios (science and innovation) I will be toasting Kevin. Brief as this breath of mana may be.
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