Can we trust China?

[Rainbow Moonlight]

Say. for the sake of argument, that China was intent on becoming a dangerous nation.( I suspect it is far more likely any build up of arms in China is for self-defence than for attack at any rate.) But allowing for the sake of argument that China is intent on becoming dangerous, is it better to be her ally or her foe?

[JW Frogen]

China does not do the ally thing.

WWII, the USA is her greatest supporter, even before the US entered the war. Directly after China becomes a belligerent antagonist the US.

China is supported by the USSR but when she perceives the US threat is contained or diminished she makes border claims against the USSR and even fights low level skirmishes with her.

Tibet, the Buddhist Kingdom refuses to ally with the West against China, says that China’s business his her own, ends up invaded and mass murder committed against this peaceful people. The kingdom endures an outright imperial conquest to this day, it’s culture being destroyed its land being colonized by the Chinese.

India, China supports India’s “non-aligned” policy because she perceives it hurts the US, but then Moa gets upset that Nehru is upstaging him on the world stage, provokes a border dispute and starts a war.

Vietnam, China provides help to Vietnam against the US (though she is wary former betrayed friend the Soviet Union has more influence) the US leaves, China fights a war with Vietnam.

Hong Kong, China makes assurances that if the colony is returned (most Hong Kong Chinese expressed a preference for complete autonomy) to China she will allow existing structures to govern then once she takes control abolishes the democratic forms that had been recently established.

Taiwan, despite a democratically elected government time and time again expressing the overwhelming majority will of the people to remain independent, China will not rule out military invasion as a method to force Taiwan to reunify.

The only ally China seems to have been loyal to is North Korea, and I rather doubt most Australians want to end up like them.

[mantra.]

Glad that someone finally agrees that China is a potential threat to us. This is only a small extract from a chilling speech.

The following is a transcript of a speech believed to have been given by Mr. Chi Haotian, Minster of Defense and vice-chairman of China’s Central Military Commission. Independently verifying the authorship of the speech is not possible. It is worth reading because it is believed to set out the CCP’s strategy for the development of China. The speech argues for the necessity of China using biological warfare to depopulate the United States and prepare it for a future massive Chinese colonization. “The War Is Not Far from Us and Is the Midwife of the Chinese Century” was published on February 15, 2005 on http://www.peacehall.com and was published on http://www.boxun.com on April 23, 2005. This speech and a related speech, “The War Is Approaching Us” are analyzed in The Epoch Times original article “The CCP’s Last-ditch Gamble: Biological and Nuclear War.”

Would the United States allow us to go out to gain new living space? First, if the United States is firm in blocking us, it is hard for us to do anything significant to Taiwan and some other countries! Second, even if we could snatch some land from Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or even Japan, how much more living space can we get? Very trivial! Only countries like the United States, Canada and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization.

Therefore, solving the “issue of America” is the key to solving all other issues. First, this makes it possible for us to have many people migrate there and even establish another China under the same leadership of the CCP. America was originally discovered by the ancestors of the yellow race, but Columbus gave credit to the white race. We the descendents of the Chinese nation are entitled to the possession of the land! It is said that the residents of the yellow race have a very low social status in United States. We need to liberate them. Second, after solving the “issue of America,” the western countries in Europe would bow to us, not to mention to Taiwan, Japan and other small countries. Therefore, solving the “issue of America” is the mission assigned to CCP members by history.

The first issue is living space. This is the biggest focus of the revitalization of the Chinese race. In my last speech, I said that the fight over basic living resources (including land and ocean) is the source of the vast majority of wars in history. This may change in the information age, but not fundamentally. Our per capita resources are much less than those of Germany’s back then. In addition, economic development in the last twenty-plus years had a negative impact, and climates are rapidly changing for the worse. Our resources are in very short supply. The environment is severely polluted, especially that of soil, water, and air. Not only our ability to sustain and develop our race, but even its survival is gravely threatened, to a degree much greater than faced Germany back then.

Anybody who has been to Western countries knows that their living space is much better than ours. They have forests alongside the highways, while we hardly have any trees by our streets. Their sky is often blue with white clouds, while our sky is covered with a layer of dark haze. Their tap water is clean enough for drinking, while even our ground water is so polluted that it can’t be drunk without filtering. They have few people in the streets, and two or three people can occupy a small residential building; in contrast, our streets are always crawling with people, and several people have to share one room.

Many years ago, there was a book titled Yellow Catastrophes. It said that, due to our following the American style of consumption, our limited resources would no longer support the population and society would collapse, once our population reaches 1.3 billion. Now our population has already exceeded this limit, and we are now relying on imports to sustain our nation. It’s not that we haven’t paid attention to this issue. The Ministry of Land Resources is specialized in this issue.

But the term “living space” (lebensraum) is too closely related to Nazi Germany. The reason we don’t want to discuss this too openly is to avoid the West’s association of us with Nazi Germany, which could in turn reinforce the view that China is a threat. Therefore, in our emphasis on He Xin’s new theory, “Human rights are just living rights,” we only talk about “living,” but not “space,” so as to avoid using the term “living space.” From the perspective of history, the reason that China is faced with the issue of living space is because Western countries have developed ahead of Eastern countries. Western countries established colonies all around the world, therefore giving themselves an advantage on the issue of living space. To solve this problem, we must lead the Chinese people outside of China, so that they could develop outside of China.

http://english.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html

[Rainbow Moonlight]

Can we truly trust that publication mantra?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times
It certainly has its own barrow to push.

[mantra.]

Thanks for that link Rainbow. I had no idea that the Epoch Times was run by the Falun Gong - although it's obviously a widely read publication in many countries. Even if the article touches on the truth - we have reason to be worried and if China is as benign as they would like us to believe - why do they persecute, torture and often kill dissenters to their governance? We also know that China leads the way in internet infiltration.

An enormous electronic espionage programme run from servers in China has been used to spy on computers in more than 100 countries, according to two reports published at the weekend.

The reports, published by the universities of Cambridge and Toronto, detail a "murky realm" where cyber spooks infiltrate email, take over humble desktop computers and use them to spy on organisations, individuals and governments.

The reports name the system GhostNet, and claim that it has been used to attack governments in south and south-east Asia as well as the offices of the Dalai Lama. In two years, the reports suggest, the operation infiltrated 1,295 computers in 103 countries.

While one of the reports remains mute on the identity of the perpetrators, the other has no such qualms, warning that the Chinese government ran a series of cyber attacks on Tibetan exile groups. The Chinese foreign ministry could not be reached for comment.

"What Chinese spooks did in 2008, Russian crooks will do in 2010 and even low-budget criminals from less developed countries will follow in due course," conclude the Cambridge authors of The Snooping Dragon: Social Malware Surveillance of the Tibetan Movement.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ma ... -computers

[JW Frogen]

The question remains Fulong Gong or not, did he say it?

His pronouncements are currently the policy in Tibet, (outright colonization) so there is definitely a Chinese precedent for such policy.

In regard to the US, as long as she maintains nuclear, air and naval superiority, such a policy would never be advocated writ large by the Chinese Communist Party. Their current strategy is to build militarily as quickly as possible and project regional power, hoping that at some time the US becomes distracted both economically and stagnant militarily and China has enough military power to force Taiwan back into China and threaten the rest of the region (including Australia) with such power forcing the region to bend to China's economic and strategic needs.

In the meantime they make deals with genocidal regimes like Sudan, trading UN veto power for resource deals and use their brand of state capitalism and huge trade surpluses to attempt to buy into foreign resource companies.

[White Indigene]

Can we truly trust that publication mantra?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times
It certainly has its own barrow to push.

As is often the case, what is profferd in your quote is the equivalent of questioning the existence of daylight.

And I part proffesional company also with JW Frogen here, as well.

FG or not, It was my first assumption that they succeded in infiltrating by means of device, the meeting which has been translated. I found it congruent the zenophobia and racism hence recorded. I dont beleive it is a total fabrication, and suggest the parralels between a certain other type of WOT text, ought not be dismissed.

Amrica, ignore at your peril.

[JW Frogen]

Narp!

[White Indigene]

Im intrigued by all the pretty faces as avatars

Am I in such great company??????????

Do tell.

[TomB]

I dont beleive it is a total fabrication

Of course you don't. You're a nutbag conspiracy freak.