Global Warming

[Super Nova]

Here is a link that provides more detail on Mattus' post.

Clearly warming is continuing within tolerances as predicted. The first piece is new data I have seen since this thread was started that is published in a respectable rag.

[Super Nova]

Here is a site that shows their prediction from 6 years ago was on the money as well.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/cl ... decadal-fc

[Rorschach]

Like IQS said, and as I already posted before mattus' latest....

Research by Ed Hawkins of University of Reading shows surface temperatures since 2005 are already at the low end of the range projections derived from 20 climate models and if they remain flat, they will fall outside the models' range within a few years.

if you cast a big enough net SN, you are bound to catch some fish.

[Rorschach]

28 million weather balloons can't be wrong...

The heat is missing from the oceans, the trends are not accelerating in sea levels, ocean heat, global temperatures, and their 1990 predictions have failed abysmally. The radiosondes show that the humidity is not rising in the upper troposphere, as well as the temperatures. The models are “right” except for for rain, drought, storms, humidity and everything else. The cloud feedback mistakes are 19 times larger than the effect of CO2. (See Man Made Global Warming Disproved).[/b]

Some of these data points make sense if the IPCC models wildly exaggerate the way humidity warms the world. The modelers could change one factor in their models and quite a few of their predictions would fit much closer to the observations.

But instead they deny the importance of 28 million weather-balloons, call the missing heat a “travesty”, they pretend that if you slap enough caveats on the 1990 report and ignore the actual direct quotes they made at the time, then possibly, just maybe, their models are doing OK, and through sheer bad luck 3000 ocean buoys, millions of weather balloons, and 30 years of satellite records are all biased in ways that hides the true genius of the climate models.

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[Outlaw Yogi]

Some one informed me today that "global warming" is actually "axial precession." Had no idea what he was talking about so simply gave him a knowing nod.

https://www.google.com/search?q=earth+a ... 0&oq=earth

Bugger, did an elaborate explanation and lost it.

Same as the ancient Greeks Precession of the Equinoxes.
Some believe our solar system takes 25,920 years to do 1 lap of the Milky Way, and twice each lap (just shy of every 13,000 years) we pass closer to the centre of our galaxy exposing us to higher concentrations of cosmic radiation. The radiation AFAIK does not heat our atmosphere per se, but does impact on sun spot/solar flare activity, in turn bombarding Earth with charged particles [most electrons and protons]. Some believe increased sun spot/solar flare activity impacts on seismic and meteorolgical factors, supposedly causing quakes or big storms. AFAIK there is no proof solar flares cause quakes or storms, but seems quite feasible.

Those claiming underwater volcanoes are the cause of global warming would probably like the cosmic radiation theory but it gets religious.

According to the theory/belief every 2165 years (representing 1 of 12 equal 30 degree sectors of the sky, each depicting a zodiac character) the belief systems, spiritual beliefs and the dominant religion of the time change. For example for most of our lives we've been in the age of Pisces because the sun rises in Pisces. On the 22nd of Dec 2012 we entered the age of Aquarius [the zodiac sequence runs in reverse] ... meaning if the theory is correct, the Earth should soon tilt enough that the sun rises in Aquarius.

If this theory is correct, then I do not believe the Sphinx was carved 5,000 or 7,000 years ago, but was carved 13,000 years ago in the age of Leo, when the sun rose in Leo and the Sphinx would face the sunrise. If so the lion's head was recarved into a Pharaohs face some time within the last 7,000 years, and would explain water erosion on the body but only wind erosion on the head. Egypt once had a much wetter climate. As prehistoric rock carvings of forest dwelling animals in the Sahara desert suggest.

Gotta go soon ... If tilting (quickly) turns out to have been the trigger for global warming events in the past, it would explain frozen forests under the ice in Antarctica and Wooly Mamoths snap frozen still with food in their mouth.

Anyway, global warming has been going on since the last ice age ending 18,000 years ago. Anyone disputing this is a mug.
The argument is over man's impact on speeding up the process.

[Super Nova]

Like IQS said, and as I already posted before mattus' latest....

Research by Ed Hawkins of University of Reading shows surface temperatures since 2005 are already at the low end of the range projections derived from 20 climate models and if they remain flat, they will fall outside the models' range within a few years.

if you cast a big enough net SN, you are bound to catch some fish.

I can see your point.

"and if they remain flat,"

That is a big if. However the short term trend appears to be flat however we should not discard the models. We need to understand what's missing from the models.

Be interesting to see where we are in 10 years time.

I still think that we are having a manmade warming effect on the planet. No-one appears to deny that. When the cyclical effect of what is holding the average temperature down goes we are in for one hell of a change.

[Rorschach]

I still think that we are having a manmade warming effect on the planet. No-one appears to deny that. When the cyclical effect of what is holding the average temperature down goes we are in for one hell of a change.

been hotter been colder...
been more CO2 been less CO2

Climate is much more complicated than just one gas.
Was there b4 man and will be there after.

[mellie]

Wether you want to do anything about it or not, one thing is sure, you'd better get used to it, numpties.

Snap out of it... honestly...how many more silly little charts are you going to embarrass yourself with before you get truly progressive and move with the times and realise Anthropological Global Warming is nothing short of a redundant flat-earther theory and excuse for imposing an unscrupulous globalist commie tax.


Someone else asked, why is Tony Abbott in process of reviewing his climate policy?


Thats because deep down, like the majority of rational thinking adults, this opposed to stoned hippies.. he knows there's a need for policy review...in the absence of credible science to back it up before reaching a consensus either way. It's one thing to come up with a policy, it's another thing again to sell it to an increasingly skeptical community. A leader must be flexible...must gauge the public's willingness to accept policy before unleashing it. ...and in light of the recent droves of climatologists and scientists now coming forward and admitting they either got it wrong or were instructed to falsify data to conceal information from trusting unsuspecting tax-payers, I think it's understandable that Tony Abbott might want to re-think his policy ...particularly when it's based on less than credible findings from scientists who readily admit to having cooked the books in order to keep the government funding coming in order to keep their jobs.

I know 2 people who work in 2 separate departments at the CSIRO, and both don't believe carbon is whats causing the climatic cyclic trends our planet has been enduring since the beginning of time.

We cool down, we warm back up again. We have a decade of higher than usual summers, then we endure a period of cooling ....Eventually, we will endure another ice age.

It's been happening for millions of years, and well before man inhabited the earth.

Carbon Tax is a communist UN tax..designed to get nations purchasing Green technology..... Israel will be stoked.

Israel is a greentech super-power afterall, this and stand to cash in on the global demand for Green technology as more and more nations buckle under the mounting pressure to pay their electricity bills so sort Greener, more energy efficient alternatives.

And before you rant and rave ....this and go off half cocked... ask yourself, why are scientists coming forward in droves changing their position on Climate Change?

What percentage of Australians do you suppose believe Climate Change can be harnessed, prevented, even reversed with a Carbon Tax?



Cool

A) 80% +
B) 60% +
C) 40%+
D) 20%+
E) 10% +


Believe me when I tell you chicken Little, the sky is not falling, honest.

[Super Nova]

Believe me when I tell you chicken Little, the sky is not falling, honest.

Not today but there is a high probability it will if we don't do something to address this real and important threat.

Ummm.......

This........
Mr Abbott has pledged to abolish the Climate Commission - the federal government's agency for explaining climate science to the public - if elected, along with repealing the carbon price.

does not add up with this.......
''We have seen this basic shift in the climate system, where natural events are amplified because there is more energy in the system,'' he said. ''The different lines of evidence all point to this conclusion

Read more below.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said he ''suspects'' Tim Flannery, the head of Australia's Climate Commission, would be made redundant if Mr Abbott becomes prime minister.

Mr Abbott has pledged to abolish the Climate Commission - the federal government's agency for explaining climate science to the public - if elected, along with repealing the carbon price.

''When the carbon tax goes, all of those bureaucracies will go and I suspect we might find that the particular position you refer to goes with them,'' Mr Abbott told Macquarie Radio on Wednesday.

''It does sound like an unnecessary position given that the gentleman in question gives us the benefit of his views without needing taxpayer funding.''

Professor Flannery said in a statement that it was critical for emergency and health services, as well as the public, to have the best information from scientists.

''Ignoring it or shooting the messenger will not reduce the threat of climate change, it will just mean that Australia is less prepared,'' he said. ''We'd be living in the past to think that Australia did not need to prepare for a changing climate.''

Professor Flannery, a palaeontologist and author who was Australian of the Year in 2007, has been seen as a polarising figure by some because of his calls to phase out large-scale use of fossil fuels.

A Climate Commission report released on Wednesday examined links between Australia's extreme weather and human-induced climate change. It found natural events were being influenced by climate change, because greenhouse gases are accumulating and trapping extra energy in the Earth's atmosphere and oceans.

The extra energy meant that natural events were being given an extra kick, meaning heavier bursts of rainfall, more intense heatwaves, and more prolonged dry spells. While heatwaves are not uncommon in summer, eight of Australia's 21 hottest days on record have occurred this year.

The report's lead author, Professor Will Steffen, said the report relies upon the known physics of the climate system, empirical observations of past and present weather, and the variety of mathematical models that can test assumptions from different angles.

''We have seen this basic shift in the climate system, where natural events are amplified because there is more energy in the system,'' he said. ''The different lines of evidence all point to this conclusion.''


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politi ... z2PWHmgCft

[mellie]

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Carbon taxes won't make the slightest difference to climate change, so why are we introducing them?
Polar bear populations are on the increase, so why are we worrying about them?
Global warming is better than global cooling, so why are we trying to stop it?

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