Reasons not to vote LABOR.

[mantra]

Address the bloody facts and accept them or refute them.

Why bother reading any of Akerman's crap. He's only using his blog to vent his hatred of all things which aren't extreme right. As far as his figures go - they're exaggerated - but who could be bothered debating each little individual point. Few people would take him seriously.

[Rorschach]

I went to the trouble to point them out for you... but as usual like Arsie you refuse to acknowledge the truth.

You refuse to do this in public... fine.

Keep up the good work.

You claim all his figures are exaggerated... then prove it.

You are still playing the man mantra, I'm debating the facts.
There are more people on the Prog Left that are far worse than Akerman, many are members of the Labor Party or the Greens etc, and they get away with blue murder. no one side is pure of heart and motive mantra. That is why you have to read everything and debate the Fcuking facts.

[mellie]

January 13, 2013 12:00AM - TODAY is the day on which the Gillard minority Labor-Independent-Green government equals the Rudd Labor government's total time in office - 935 days.

fact or not mantra?

many Australians who would like the opportunity to vote for a party which can demonstrate a clear mandate to govern,

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If anyone is in doubt the Rudd government was bad, just recall that Gillard told the public his government had lost its way.

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When Rudd attempted a comeback at the beginning of last year, his party colleagues queued to describe Kevvie from Brizzie as chaotic, unfit to be prime minister, a psychopath and responsible for sabotaging the 2010 election campaign.

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In its first year in government (2008-09) the Rudd government produced a $27 billion deficit; a $54.5 billion deficit in 2009-10 and a $47.5 billion deficit in 2010-11.

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The Gillard government produced a $43.4 billion deficit in 2011-12

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Remember, too, that the Rudd government inherited a Treasury with a healthy surplus

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left Australia with $42.3 billion of net debt for 2009-10 and $84.6 billion of net debt for 2010-11.

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The Gillard government then drove the nation further into the red by pushing our net debt up to $147 billion in 2011-12.

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In the latest Budget update, net debt is estimated to fall to $144 billion by the end of the 2012-13

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Five years ago, the Rudd government lifted the nation's credit card limit to $75 billion, increasing it again the following year to $200 billion. The Gillard government increased the country's credit limit to $250 billion in 2011 and again to $300 billion in 2012.

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The ALP government

squandered national savings on worthless policies.

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Rudd started with near-empty processing centres as the Howard government had stopped the flow of boats. Under the Rudd government 140 boats arrived with 6,552 asylum seekers.

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Under the Gillard government (which announced the "Malaysia solution" people swap which relied on a country that had not signed the UN Refugee Convention) 405 boats have arrived carrying 25,266 asylum seekers - more people than live in many sizeable towns - and there have been 1000 or more lives lost by those lured to try and breach the stretched border security net.

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That number far exceeds the four lives lost during the bungled implementation of the Rudd government's ill-conceived $2.4 billion Home Insulation Plan which also saw the destruction of at least 224 houses, possibly the Rudd government's greatest policy failure.

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As far as policy failures go, the Gillard government's carbon tax, which has helped deliver the largest quarterly rise in electricity prices since 1980,

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its mining tax which last year collected no revenue.

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Cost-of-living pressures under the Rudd government, from the December quarter of 2007 to the June quarter of 2010 saw electricity prices increased by an average of 34 per cent across Australia. Gas prices rose by an average of 26 per cent and water and sewerage rates increased by an average of 29 per cent.

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Health costs jumped by an average 18 per cent, education costs increased by an average 17 per cent and the amount of rent people paid increased by 17 per cent as insurance costs leapt by 20 per cent.

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Under the Gillard government, from the June quarter of 2010 to the September quarter of 2012, electricity prices soared by an average 41 per cent, gas prices increased by an average of 29 per cent and water and sewerage rates rose by an average 27 per cent. Health costs increased by an average 10 per cent, education costs rose by an average 12 per cent and the amount of rent people paid jumped by 10 per cent as insurance costs rose by 16 per cent.

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refute or accept.

It seams... the Roach has gone to a fair amount of trouble here Mantra.
Ok, can you perhaps dispute one 'said' fact, if you are strapped for time?

I'm not normally a fan of extreme right or left journalists, editors, though with all due respect, I think Piers Akerman is right on the mark with respects to his figures concerning that of the ALP's squandering, as unpalatable as this may be for the rabid far left.

Now Mantra, you claim Piers Akerman's figures are exaggerated, therefore the onus is on you to demonstrate how/why.
If not, then you must concede defeat I'm afraid.

[mantra]

Under the Gillard government, from the June quarter of 2010 to the September quarter of 2012, electricity prices soared by an average 41 per cent, gas prices increased by an average of 29 per cent and water and sewerage rates rose by an average 27 per cent. Health costs increased by an average 10 per cent, education costs rose by an average 12 per cent and the amount of rent people paid jumped by 10 per cent as insurance costs rose by 16 per cent.

Electricity is a state issue - as is health and education. Barry O'Farrell, NSW Liberal premier - presided over electricity, health and education for most of this time and he's cut the health and education funding alarmingly. No doubt all these costs will rise even further.

[mellie]

Under the Gillard government, from the June quarter of 2010 to the September quarter of 2012, electricity prices soared by an average 41 per cent, gas prices increased by an average of 29 per cent and water and sewerage rates rose by an average 27 per cent. Health costs increased by an average 10 per cent, education costs rose by an average 12 per cent and the amount of rent people paid jumped by 10 per cent as insurance costs rose by 16 per cent.

Electricity is a state issue - as is health and education. Barry O'Farrell, NSW Liberal premier - presided over electricity, health and education for most of this time and he's cut the health and education funding alarmingly. No doubt all these costs will rise even further.

Mantra, first ask yourself why electricity prices have risen to begin with, then ask yourself, is it really just a "state" government issue afterall?

http://www.ipa.org.au/publications/1828 ... -australia

[mellie]

Finally, ask yourself if you yourself can in fact afford another term under a Labor government.

If the answer to this is yes, then you must be better off than most of us.



If the answer is no, then If I were you I would secretly vote Liberal, don't worry, noone has to know, when it's come down to a mater of survival afterall.

[Rorschach]

Well good for you for being able to pick the refutable one mantra.
Unfortunately you are wrong. But it was worth the attempt.

oh look a report to back me up...

Electricity prices in parts of Australia have increased at nearly four times the rate of inflation over the last 5 years according to new research released today.

New analysis of Australian Bureau of Statistics data, by the free market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs, reveals the increase in electricity prices in capital cities between 2005 and 2010:

Sydney 61.3%
Melbourne 56.8%
Brisbane 50.7%
Canberra 45.9%
Darwin 35.9%
Perth 35.8%
Adelaide 16.0%
Increase in consumer prices between 2005 and 2010: 16%
(Source: ABS, Catalogue number 6401.0)

Julie Novak, IPA Research Fellow said, 'Given that the typical household has a power bill of $1,000 it's no surprise families are suffering under the weight of rising living costs.'

'Australia has abundant sources of energy, but we are paying far too much for electricity. The blame rests firmly with state and federal governments. Renewable energy initiatives are hurting families because they push up the price of electricity.'

'Other reasons for these price increases include the fact that state governments have underinvested in electricity generation. In addition, energy companies are reluctant to make new capital investments because of uncertainty about carbon emission reduction schemes.'

'These prices rises are just the beginning. The introduction of a carbon tax is likely to cause electricity prices to at least double,' Ms Novak said.

Now how about you try refuting something on facts.
Pick another one.

Or you can start another topic on the issue you picked and I and others will be only too happy to provide real information that will unfortunately take apart your assumptions and claims.

[mantra]

Well good for you for being able to pick the refutable one mantra.
Unfortunately you are wrong. But it was worth the attempt.

Are you saying that electricity, education and health aren't state issues and they're not controlled by the state government?

Yes or no?

Seriously - what is the point of debating anything with those from the right of politics. You are so blinkered you can't see the wood for the trees. Akerman is being deliberately misleading (what's new?) and his little flock implicitly believe him. No surprise he has no credibility.

DON'T WASTE MY TIME

[mellie]

Well good for you for being able to pick the refutable one mantra.
Unfortunately you are wrong. But it was worth the attempt.

Are you saying that electricity, education and health aren't state issues and they're not controlled by the state government?

Yes or no?

Seriously - what is the point of debating anything with those from the right of politics. You are so blinkered you can't see the wood for the trees. Akerman is being deliberately misleading (what's new?) and his little flock implicitly believe him. No surprise he has no credibility.

DON'T WASTE MY TIME

Mantra, it would seem you have failed to understand the dynamics of how state governments are directly effected by Federal governments policies and legislation.

And especially so when it comes to soaring energy prices.

[mellie]

Mantra, would you say this was a right-wing publication?

http://www.ipa.org.au/publications/1828 ... -australia



Or more of an independent free-market think-tank these days?