Reasons not to vote for the Coalition

[mantra]

We know Abbott is a compulsive liar and here's another one to add to his portfolio.

Tony Abbott has gone to great lengths to declare that he does not want to become Prime Minister “as a result of a backroom deal”.

In an interview on ABC Radio with Jon Faine on February 23, 2012, Tony Abbott said this:

Tony Abbott: And Jon, I do not want to become Prime Minister as result of a backroom deal.

Earlier in the interview, when asked if he’d spoken to the independents, Tony Abbott refused to answer.

The problem for Tony Abbott is that after the 2010 election, he was directly involved in the same kind of “backroom deals” that he now claims he opposes, just so that the Coalition could form Government, and that he would then become the Prime Minister.

Tony Abbott even went so far as to promise independent MP Andrew Wilkie $1 billion for a Hospital.

Source: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... ts-abbotts-...

Independent MP, Tony Windsor, has since claimed that Tony Abbott said:

“Tony, I would do anything for this job. The only thing I wouldn’t do is sell my arse, but I’d have to give serious thought to it.”

Of course, it’s not just the independents that Tony Abbott has to deal with – the Nationals have decided to pressure Tony Abbott a little themselves (and good on them) and push for a “backroom deal” of their own in regards to a zonal taxation scheme.

It should be pointed out that Tony Abbott offered the independents (Oakeshott, Windsor and Katter) a $200 million, two-year zonal tax trial in his “backroom deal” with the independents.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... press-tony...

[wog_girl]

Yes lets all believe everything that Tony Windsor says because, you know, he's so honest and has never even lied to his electorate, let alone the press. Good find, mantra.

[mellie]

And shall I post a hard copy of Labors pre-electoral preference agreement they made with the Greens?

...Seriously now... something about people in glass houses.....well, you know how it goes.

[mantra]

We have this relentless and ongoing vicious campaign about Gillard and often the Greens. What the right whingers don't know - they invent. Gillard is even vilified for grieving for her father - yet the moment Abbott is put in the slightest negative light - out come the RW's defending his lies as though they were protecting their own families.

Yes lets all believe everything that Tony Windsor says because, you know, he's so honest and has never even lied to his electorate, let alone the press. Good find, mantra.

Tony Windsor is irrelevant. This thread exists to counteract the Labor thread. It's far more benign than IQ's comments about Gillard's alleged abortions and other pronouncements made by the RW's on this forum. I have at least provided links.

[IQS.RLOW]

- yet the moment Abbott is put in the slightest negative light - out come the RW's defending his lies

Where are Abbotts lies again Mantra?

[mellie]

We have this relentless and ongoing vicious campaign about Gillard and often the Greens. What the right whingers don't know - they invent. Gillard is even vilified for grieving for her father - yet the moment Abbott is put in the slightest negative light - out come the RW's defending his lies as though they were protecting their own families.

Yes lets all believe everything that Tony Windsor says because, you know, he's so honest and has never even lied to his electorate, let alone the press. Good find, mantra.

Tony Windsor is irrelevant. This thread exists to counteract the Labor thread. It's far more benign than IQ's comments about Gillard's alleged abortions and other pronouncements made by the RW's on this forum. I have at least provided links.

With all due respect Mantra, what about Labors own relentless vicious hate-Abbott Campaign?

Lol, not only is she targeting him, she is seemingly targeting his institution of faith also.

Talk about desperate and obsessed.

[mantra]

Mel - the moment Labor took office starting with Rudd - the vilification started. It ramped up when Gillard took over, but Abbott is one of the most vicious and hateful politicians Australia has ever had. Rarely does he come up with a policy idea of his own - it's all about throwing as much dirt on the opposition as he can create. So Gillard started throwing some dirt back. Abbott doesn't want to be PM for the good of the Australian people - he has a strict religious agenda he wants enforced to boost the power of the Catholic Church. He's quiet about it now - but it's a long term commitment that he wants to fulfill.

Abbott is the Catholic version of a Zionist. It will be a sorry day for Australia if he's ever let loose on the country.

All I knew of Abbott when he entered Parliament in 1994 at the age of 36 was that he had been educated by Jesuits, had wanted to be a priest and had described himself as “a junkyard dog savaging the other side”. It was only in early 1998 that I began to take serious notice of him, and that was because of a statement he made in Parliament about Bob Santamaria, who had recently died. Abbott called him “a philosophical star by which you could always steer” and “the greatest living Australian”. I thought that Santamaria had lost all political relevance decades earlier and was astonished that anyone would honour a man who inspired so much hatred.

It became clear that Santamaria had been a crucial mentor for Abbott, ever since the early 1970s. As Michael Duffy remarks in his 2004 dual biography of Mark Latham and Tony Abbott, Santamaria’s effect on the latter was “immediate and profound”. A Catholic intellectual, Santamaria created an organisation known as ‘the Movement’. Using the idea of communist cadres, he had his followers infiltrate the unions to counteract their leftish ideology and to stop the spread of communism. He was president of the organisation from 1943 until 1957, when the Movement evolved into the National Civic Council. Even more insidious was his part in helping keep the Labor Party out of office throughout the 1950s and 1960s. He was a major influence in the formation of the Democratic Labor Party (DLP) – a breakaway group of the ALP. He hoped to siphon the Catholics from the ALP into the DLP, and attract the anti-communist vote.

There are people, like Abbott, who believe that Santamaria’s crusade against communism was a success. His major weapon was to create a climate of fear; he was constantly hectoring people with the idea that communists in Australia were buying up arsenals and guns in preparation for the revolution. Another tactic was to prophesy the end of civilisation as we know it. He likened Australia to the fifth century when the Roman Empire collapsed, and he viewed the Vietnam War as a crusade. Yet despite his anti-communism, he disliked capitalism, especially in its guise of economic rationalism. Santamaria’s ideal epoch was the Middle Ages and, as such, he wanted to turn us into a nation of farmers and cottage industries, with women permanently barefoot and pregnant. He vigorously opposed abortion and birth control. He blamed the Bloomsbury Set (Virginia Woolf and the like) for contemporary sexual decadence and the undermining of family values. As he became increasingly sidelined politically, his view of the world shrank to a hermetic and clammy chamber of religious and political certainties. Near the end of his 60-year career, he had doubts about liberal democracy, and in his wish to return to traditional Catholic values there was a touch of the theocratic Taliban about him.

One of the reasons Santamaria was so loathed by many Catholics was that, by politicising religion, families were often driven apart. With the formation of the DLP came intimidation: if you stayed a supporter of the ALP then you were not a true Catholic. What disturbed many Catholics was that the priests would order their congregations to vote DLP. (I remember my mother returning from Mass one morning furious with the priest for telling the St Mark’s congregation to vote for the DLP.) Santamaria also confirmed all the suspicions the rest of Australia had about Catholics – that they were secretive and merely paid lip service to the idea of the separation of Church and State.

http://www.themonthly.com.au/monthly-es ... bbott-2250

[wog_girl]

Mantra, what about the Greens' viciousness towards Abbott? Their pathetic attempt at appearing more mainstream yet quietly await their opportunity to wreak havoc on our power and agricultural industries, as well their tiresome campaign against wealthy people despite having no shortage of wealth themselves? Don't attack Abbott as if your own party has no dirty laundry.

[IQS.RLOW]

It will only be a sorry day for you Mantra

The rest of us will be jumping for joy and you will have to live with conservative rule for decades...oh horror of horrors!

Imagine, budget surpluses, no carbon tax, spending on things that matter, no class warfare and the end of the Greens- sounds like paradise

[mantra]

Mantra, what about the Greens' viciousness towards Abbott? Their pathetic attempt at appearing more mainstream yet quietly await their opportunity to wreak havoc on our power and agricultural industries, as well their tiresome campaign against wealthy people despite having no shortage of wealth themselves? Don't attack Abbott as if your own party has no dirty laundry.

When were the Greens vicious towards Abbott? I haven't seen them vicious at all, although they occasionally make a mild comment which is usually blown out of all proportion.

The Greens are against extreme consumerism and its environmental ramifications - not wealth. You can be rich without being greedy.