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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by Super Nova » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:35 am

mellie wrote:Has it occurred to you why the Chinese are swooping on our infant formula here in Australia this and are flogging it for twice the price online (leaving shelves bare) this and are only interested in two particular brands of infant formula....
Karicare Aptamil Gold & Bellamys Organic?

Hint...


Hexane.

The above two formulas are the only ones made in either Australia and New Zealand that don't contain this toxin.

The Chinese already know about the Hexane, sadly, Aussie mums are a little slow to catch on it seems.
Hexane is a hydrocarbon with the chemical formula C6H14; that is, an alkane with six carbon atoms.

The term may refer to any of the five structural isomers with that formula, or to a mixture of them.[2] In IUPAC nomenclature, however, hexane is the unbranched isomer (n-hexane); the other four structures are named as methylated derivatives of pentane and butane. IUPAC also uses the term as the root of many compounds with a linear six-carbon backbone, such as 2-methylhexane (C7H16), which is also called "isoheptane".

Hexanes are significant constituents of gasoline. They are all colorless liquids at room temperature, with boiling points between 50 and 70 °C, with gasoline-like odor. They are widely used as cheap, relatively safe, largely unreactive, and easily evaporated non-polar solvents.
Remind me. What has hexane got to do with GM?
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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by Mattus » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:37 am

mellie wrote: Where's the independent research?
Probably somewhere in the blue zone here.

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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by IQS.RLOW » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:42 am

I think you will find that the Chinese baby formula issue is the 300k illness and 6 deaths caused by padding the product with melamine. Nothing to do with Hexane
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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by mellie » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:48 am

Super Nova wrote:
mellie wrote:Bottom line.... our politicians and the wealthy (who have shares in these company's) can afford a non-GMO organic diet, so why should Ingsoc care what the Proles ingest?
I don't buy into this.

The wealthy aren't too worried about GM or not. They worry more about Free Range or not. The generics of the chicken is less important than how it has been fed.

Then why is it that in affluent areas of high social economic status do we see an increase in organic and non-GMO produce stores?

IQS, the effects of these unsafe products/pharmaceuticals aren't always apparent at first, rather are inconspicuous,(Take mercury for instance re- it's accumulative effect) often their harmful effects take years to become apparent, by which stage can be blamed onto other things, with even more industry-backed research deflecting blame from itself.

Why do you think they removed mercury, (Thiomersal) from children's vaccines IQS?

Because the ongoing long-term cost of having damaged 'goods' (Autistic children) outweighed the benefits.

Our government glossed it over, more or less claim to have removed it just to be on the safe side as a few children reacted badly to their mercury laced vaccines... though the truth is, it just simply wasn't worth their while.

If it had have been, they would have left it in there.

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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by IQS.RLOW » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:50 am

So you admit that the Chinese demand is now not driven by hexane but by their previous problems with melamine contamination?
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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by Mattus » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:59 am

IQS.RLOW wrote:So you admit that the Chinese demand is now not driven by hexane but by their previous problems with melamine contamination?
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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by mellie » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:00 am

IQS.RLOW wrote:I think you will find that the Chinese baby formula issue is the 300k illness and 6 deaths caused by padding the product with melamine. Nothing to do with Hexane

The melamine is no longer the "issue" as strict testing for it's presence ensues, it's the Hexane they are now worried about it's been all over their news in recent months.

Pity it' not in ours, rather we have preferred to lull the hysteria by misinforming the public and telling them it's the melomine again.

If this were the case, and it were just the melomine they were worried about, why only two brands?

The brands that don't contain Hexane.

The rest do.

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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by mellie » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:03 am

Dont worry, when like Thiomersal, Hexane is banned ... you might get the message.

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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by Super Nova » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:14 am

mellie wrote:Dont worry, when like Thiomersal, Hexane is banned ... you might get the message.

8-)
What I mean is that it appears Hexane is used in the process to manufacture the powered milk. It is not a part fo the GM equation.

Maybe those that develop GM free food stuffs are more careful in the design of processes and not include chemicals where trace amounts are a problem for the consumer.
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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by Mattus » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:26 am

Neither hexane nor melamine have anything to do with genetic modification of foods. Mel's argument seems to be "people do bad things, therefore gm is bad".
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