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Re: Science Updates

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:04 am

This article hit the nail on the head. We have to stop with our consumption based ecconomies and focus on the longer term for the benefit of the planet and future life. Politics needs to change.
Monbiot is an extremist SN

The old Malthusian panic merchant syndrome has been long discredited but still in active use by leftwing socialists who use FUD and an inborn hatred of themselves and the society that has given them everything they need to bitch,whinge and complain it while lapping up the benefits

They think we all must be as stupid as they are
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Post by Super Nova » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:11 pm

That could be the case, they have an extreme view.

I do believe that we are acting like an other organism on the planet. We consume all resources, shit in our own nest until our environment cannot sustain us and we have a big die back or go extinct.

Our short term focus driven by short term profits and short term polotics is ruling our behavour as a species. This is not going to serve us well for the long term.

I am all for an envrionment were the individual has the ability to strive and generate personal wealth, wealth for the ecconomy. I think the politics needs to change to have a longer term view on the welfare of the planet and the future human condition.
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Post by Rorschach » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:03 pm

Monbiot is a LW Prog idiot he gets things wrong so often he's given up apologising these days.
Our short term focus driven by short term profits and short term polotics is ruling our behavour as a species. This is not going to serve us well for the long term.
Obviously not all of us are short term thinkers... the problem is the people we vote in and we don't have a lot of choice in that. Hmmm and i thought you were joking about bringing politics into the Science topic.
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Post by Super Nova » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:20 pm

Rorschach wrote:Monbiot is a LW Prog idiot he gets things wrong so often he's given up apologising these days.
Our short term focus driven by short term profits and short term polotics is ruling our behavour as a species. This is not going to serve us well for the long term.
Obviously not all of us are short term thinkers... the problem is the people we vote in and we don't have a lot of choice in that. Hmmm and i thought you were joking about bringing politics into the Science topic.
Politics and sciences are interconnected (as is religion... but we will not go there).

Our systems are designed to promote short term behaviour.

In my short time on this planet I see the longer term thinkers that have systems that reward/accept longer term strategic thinking are doing the best. I will provide one example.

Germany as a country, culture and in business think more long term than the UK.
Their major businesses plan long term. That is why they still have manufacturing and still innovate in the industrial sector. They could have gone down the path of Australia and the UK and turn off most of their manufacturing. Instead they innovated to keep this capability.
They understand the problems around energy and have taken steps well in advance of other nations to have a long term strategy to ensure they have energy in the future. Sustainable energy.
They undertood the game of the euro better than everyone and benefited the most.
Their investment planning is well over the 10 year horizon. Most of the west can barely plan more than a year or 2 a head.

Humanity as a whole needs to recognise that the model the west prospered under really is not sustainable for the whole human population and that is growing. Something needs to give. I fear we will little about this until a disaster that forces us to act and that will be too late.

Maybe the special status we afford ourselves is just wrong and we are like every other organism and are destined to die in our own shit once we have consumed all the resources that are easily available.

That would be a pity since science can predict this outcome and provide a path to change and manage. The political will to listen to those who are our most learned of people is just not there or the system does not reward the hard decisions that will be needed to implement real longer term solutions. We need long term strategic thinkers in politics. I fear they will never be elected.
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Post by Rorschach » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:10 pm

Well who do you listen to the deniers (who aren't actually in denial) or the believers (who may be just alarmists)?

I'm thinking this needs a whole new topic.

Anyhoo lets leave the human nature and religion and politics out of it because that seems rather subjective in your post.

Long term sustainability Australia?
Energy resources.
Then we should concentrate in the LONG term of 2 resources we have plentiful supply of... Thorium and Hot Rocks. Both can provide a "green" sustainable source of energy and we can become world leaders in the technology... given the will and right decisions.
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Post by Super Nova » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:24 pm

Back to the science then.

Do you think we has humans have a sustainable future with our current political, social and ecconomic models.
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Post by Rorschach » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:49 pm

Oh I think we can as long as the people who make the decisions are the right people.
That automatically removes the current bunch of Labor politicians from participating.
The current Greens as well.
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Re: Science Updates

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:02 pm

Yes- adaptation is the defining feature of all life.
Always has been, always will be.

Leftys are busy spending adaptation funds on non existent clothes for the emperor Canute
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Post by AiA in Atlanta » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:51 am

Adaptation is wonderful if it is you that adapts ... and survives.

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Post by AiA in Atlanta » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:05 am

Saw "Prometheus" recently which inspired me to see "Alien" again after many, many years and I was amazed not only by how sexy Signourney Weaver was in that last scene in her panties but how the computers aboard the Nostromo were a reflection of how computers were in the 1970's and not what they have become in the decades since the movie was made.

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