US election result - why?

[IQS.RLOW]

Go look him up IQ. I am done with you now.

So you have nothing? Nothing at all?

I am well versed on Ryan...and I know bullshit and spin when I see it.
I also know a liar who has no clue about the choices that were available to them in an election because they were too ignorant and stupid to not swallow partisan bullshit

[annielaurie]

Republican House Representative Paul Ryan's views on ...

Social, environmental, and science issues

(excerpts)

In 2010, Ryan described himself as being "as pro-life as a person gets" and has been described as an "ardent, unwavering foe of abortion rights". As of 2012 according to Bloomberg, Ryan has co-sponsored 38 measures in the U.S. Congress that restrict abortion.

The National Right to Life Committee has consistently given Ryan a "100 percent pro-life voting record" since he took office in 1999. NARAL Pro-Choice America has noted that Ryan has "cast 59 votes" (including procedural motions and amendments which don't have co-sponsors) "on reproductive rights while in Congress and not one has been pro-choice."

He believes all abortions should be illegal, including those resulting from rape or incest, and only makes an exception for cases where the woman's life is at risk.

During Ryan's 1998 campaign for Congress, he "expressed his willingness to let states criminally prosecute women who have abortions," telling the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel at the time that he "would let states decide what criminal penalties would be attached to abortions," and while not stating that he supports jailing women who have an abortion, stated: "if it's illegal, it's illegal."

In 2009, he cosponsored the Sanctity of Life Act, which would provide that fertilized eggs "shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood" and would have given "the Congress, each State, the District of Columbia, and all United States territories [have] the authority to protect the lives of all human beings residing in its respective jurisdictions."

Ryan has also supported legislation that would impose criminal penalties for certain doctors who perform "partial-birth abortions."

Ryan voted against continued federal aid for Planned Parenthood and Title X family planning programs.

He also opposed giving over-the-counter status for emergency contraceptive pills. Ryan was one of 227 co-sponsors of the 2011 No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act bill in the House of Representatives that would have limited funding for federally funded abortions to victims of "forcible rape". "Forcible rape" was not defined in the bill, which critics said would result in excluding date rape, statutory rape, or other situations where the victim had diminished mental capacity. The language was removed from the bill before the House passed the bill, the Senate did not vote on the bill.

Ryan opposes same-sex marriage, supports a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, opposed the repeal of the don't ask, don't tell policy, has opposed same-sex couples adopting children, and voted against the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act.

Ryan voted in favor of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act in 2007.

The Human Rights Campaign, a GLBT rights organization, has frequently given Ryan a 0/100 rating on its legislative scorecard.

Ryan has supported the rights of gun owners and opposed stricter gun control measures. He voted against a bill for stronger background check requirements for purchases at gun shows and supports federal concealed-carry reciprocity legislation, which would allow a person with a permit to carry a concealed firearm in one state to carry a firearm in every other state, a top National Rifle Association (NRA) priority. Ryan, who owns a rifle and a shotgun, is an NRA member, has received an "A" rating from the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action and has been endorsed by the organization "every cycle he's been in Congress.

Ryan favors a constitutional amendment to ban flag-burning. He also voted to withdraw federal funding of NPR.

In the past, Ryan supported legislation that would have allowed some illegal immigrants to apply for temporary guest-worker status, including one bill that would provide a pathway to permanent residence status (a Green Card) for such immigrants. However, more recently Ryan "has adopted a firm anti-amnesty, enforcement-first stance" on illegal immigration.

Ryan voted against the DREAM Act, a bill that would provide conditional permanent residency to illegal immigrants who were brought to the United States as children if they attend college or serve in the military, and meet other criteria.

He also voted in favor of the Secure Fence Act of 2006. Ryan has said "we must first secure the border and stem the flow of illegal immigration, and then work to increase legal immigration through an enforceable guest worker program" before pursuing a "piecemeal" reform such as the DREAM Act.

Ryan opposed the Stop Online Piracy Act, stating that "it creates the precedent and possibility for undue regulation, censorship and legal abuse." Ryan opposes net neutrality.

The League of Conservation Voters (LCV), the Sierra Club, and other environmentalists have criticized Ryan's record on environmental issues, with Ryan earning 3 percent on the LCV 2011 National Environmental Scorecard.

He opposes cap and trade and opposed the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. In an 2009 editorial, Ryan has accused climatologists of using "statistical tricks to distort their findings and intentionally mislead the public on the issue of climate change" and he criticized the EPA's classification of carbon dioxide as a pollutant.

Ryan supports a 10-year $40 billion tax break for the petroleum industry, and has proposed cutting funding for renewable energy research and subsidies.

Ryan voted to weaken work requirements for welfare in 2002, 2003 and 2005, and against efforts to move more welfare recipients to work in 2012 ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan

[IQS.RLOW]

Although Wiki is a completely unreliable source, none of that supports any of your allegations... Not even one, and especially your creationist allegation.

So to keep you on track and not bring up wiki, blogs and other bullshit- try concentrating on your initial allegation and providing proof that Ryan is a creationist.

If you can't prove that, why should any of your other bullshit be believed?

[annielaurie]

I disagree that Wikipedia is unreliable. Many of the articles are written by exerts in their fields.

I don't know why you seem determined to undermine comments I make on this forum, about any subject.

You don't trust me because I'm a yank, a "leftwinger" or because I "associate" with PA members you don't like, or for whatever reason.

I don't see that you spend much effort here on anything yourself, IQ. Your thing seems to be to twist the statements of others, to challenge them, without contributing very much of your own views.

I know you are a rightwinger, I have nothing against that personally. I don't distrust you because of that, or because you're an aussie.

But you want to trash everything I say, and you are rude. See you later, I have to get ready to go somewhere today.

[IQS.RLOW]

I trash lies...that's all. Unsubstantiated lies...which is all that you have given

You have have ample opportunity to post anything to support your unsubstantiated lies and have not only failed to do so, you have deliberately failed to do so and rather than actually validate your statements, you have completely run away from them, too scared to actually support your statements with actual evidence except for posting an obscure wiki link that did nothing to support your illogical extremist views and complete lies about a member of the opposition to your extremist viewpoint.

Do you see how you have now become the extremist that you (illogically) railed against?

[mantra]

Do you see how you have now become the extremist that you (illogically) railed against?

You said yourself that Romney didn't get in because he was a Mormon. You're only angry because the Republicans didn't win. Who cares whether there's no evidence that Ryan is a creationist - his silence on the subject is admission enough.

Those who you claim to be extremist lefties are probably only moderates - but as there is little choice in who we can pick to be a leader, we have to choose a party which displays a little more humanity than the other. That usually doesn't apply to the neo-conservatives. Humanity -v- extreme capitalism/religious doctrine - that's our choice.

[annielaurie]

Paul Ryan is a conservative Roman Catholic.

Many Catholics are liberal about doctrine today, but there are some who stick with creationism and a literal interpretation of the scriptures. There is what is called a "charismatic" movement in the Catholic Church, and conservative fundamentalist Catholics fit right in.

I happen to know what is going on up here in my country so well that it is just taken for granted. Maybe you didn't understand what I was talking about? Doesn't mean I lied just because you didn't understand it. Stop calling me a liar, that makes my blood boil and I want to stomp you flat.

Sometimes it is appropriate to include a link to interesting material in a post about the subject when needed. But if you expect me to post references and proof to back up everything I say here, then you can go jump in a lake.

I don't see anybody else here having to do all that. I am more determined than ever now to post what I please here. I will not let IQ or anyone else intimidate me.

Who cares now anyway. Obama and the Dems have won a second tern, and we can get on with it.

[IQS.RLOW]

You are free to post all the lies you wish Annie, and I am free to call your lies bullshit.
If you have proof that your lies are not bullshit, you are also free to post your evidence?..tellingly, you haven't been able to do so...

The only way to "stomp me flat" is to prove that you are not a liar.
You haven't been able to, in any post since your creationist lie

Why do you feel the need to lie?

[annielaurie]

What creationist lie is it that you think I told? Tell me exactly the lie I was supposed to have told.

If you don't, then I haven't got any more time to waste on this with you.

[IQS.RLOW]

evangelical creationist religious extremist running mate Paul Ryan.

*The surgeon general advises that drinking the koolaid gives you cancer