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Re: Carbon issues

Post by Bart » Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:10 pm

Neferti~ wrote:
Bart wrote:When is the world's temperature going to drop?
As afterall the leftwing flat earth nutters believe in the myth of global warming :scare and that AUSTRALIA's carbon dioxide tax is the salvation. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

So when is the world's temperature going to drop?
Stop worrying about the WORLD.


Oh but Australia is the world leader in the flat earth recovery.
Maybe Australia has a winged-keel and this will enable Australia to guide the whole planet to safety :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

So where is Captain Kirk or Picard when you need them, cause we can't trust this lot of left wing nutters to be left at the helm :thumb
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Re: Carbon issues

Post by Rorschach » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:24 pm

I could of course just post a link... :lol:

But hey, all I've done by posting the article here is that I've saved you the trip. :bgrin
Whether you read it here or read it there or skim it here or skim it there or ignore it here or ignore it there... is up to you.
ENVIRONMENT: Arctic sea ice recovery contradicts "global warming"
by Peter Westmore
News Weekly, October 27, 2012

A little over a month ago, when the Arctic sea ice-sheet shrank to an unusually small area, the media was filled with claims that the earth was reaching a climate “tipping point” which could see the end of the Arctic sea ice, and have devastating effects on life on earth.

Among those who propagated this claim was the Australian government’s leading climate change adviser, Tim Flannery, and the chief adviser to the Australian Climate Commission, Professor Will Steffen.

Under a heading, “Sea ice reduction at tipping point”, the Sydney Morning Herald quoted Professor Steffen as saying, “I’m pretty certain that we have now passed the tipping point for Arctic sea ice” (September 23, 2012).


Separately, Tim Flannery said the decline in Arctic sea ice was “a significant wake-up call”.

He added, “We might think that what happens in the Arctic region has little impact on the rest of the world; but in reality what happens in the polar regions affects the whole world, including Australia.”

He was reported in the Melbourne Herald Sun saying, “Melting sea ice contributes to rapid temperature rises in the Arctic, which in turn causes an ice loss from the Greenland ice sheet and global sea level rises” (September 20, 2012).

The claims by Flannery, Steffen and others were always suspect, if only because early in 2012 the extent of Arctic sea ice was around 14 million square km, almost the largest extent for the past 10 years.

Just over a month after these comments were made, the latest surveys of Arctic sea ice show that with the cooling of the northern hemisphere as winter approaches, the extent of Arctic sea ice is back to about what it was in 2007, at this time of year.

Further, the area of Antarctic sea ice (which surrounds the continent of Antarctica) is actually growing, to the extent that there has been little overall loss of sea ice across the world over the past 30 years.

Not surprisingly, there have been no corrections by the climate alarmists, whose statements in September are still being quoted in the media.


At the same time, the UK Meteorological Office (the Met) has released data showing that global temperatures have not risen in the period from 1997 to 2012.

The UK Daily Mail released the information, which was extracted from the latest update of temperatures produced by the Met and East Anglia University’s Climatic Research Unit.

The Daily Mail reported, “The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week.

“The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.” (Daily Mail, October 13, 2012).

In response, the Met issued a statement which suggested that using a 16-year period for temperature data was insufficiently reliable to determine long-term trends.

Yet the Met’s own website is replete with claims that climate change can be deduced from short-term trends.
:rofl

Its “State of the climate” report, last issued in November 2011, stated: “The period 2000-2009 was warmer than the 1990s that, in turn, were warmer than 1980s. In fact, the average temperature over the first decade of the 21st century was significantly warmer than any preceding decade in the instrumental record, stretching back 160 years.”

A further indication of the natural variability of the world’s climate is seen in the recent figures which show that in continental United States, there were 137 high temperature type records versus 857 low temperature type records in the first week of October, a six-to-one difference. There were 1,154 low temperature type records putting the two-week total for October at 2,011. There were also 24 new snowfall records set in the upper plains area of the US, stretching up to Canada.

This shows us that reliance on one set of figures is dangerous, particularly in the complicated field of climate science, where short-term temperature variations almost always obscure long-term trends.

The preoccupation with climate change is part of an ideological agenda, promoted by the extreme environmental lobby and its allies on the left, and based on a profound hostility to concepts such as low-cost energy, economic growth and profits.

Radical leftists ignore the fact that the West has successfully spread the benefits of economic development from a small wealthy elite to the middle class and raised most of those on low incomes out of poverty.


The measures employed to combat alleged man-made climate change, in Australia, Western Europe and the UN, are inordinately costly. They have diverted billions of dollars which could have been used to address some of the acute problems which many people living in Third World countries are forced to endure — problems such as poverty, environmental pollution (including unclean water and dirty air) and lack of infrastructure.

“Climate change” ideology needs to be challenged and defeated
if there is to be a constructive public exchange on the competing priorities needed for economic development and environmental protection.
Having kept up with things in the media and on climate sites I could have written an opinion piece covering that myself... but that would leave me open to "how would you know?" and "that's just your opinion" even if I cited scientists and their opinions. it has ver been so... but here we have someone else's opinion and other sources... so it's not just my opinion.
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Re: Carbon issues

Post by Rorschach » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:40 pm

Want to get away from alarmist dribble...
see what's really going on with the climate?

http://joannenova.com.au/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; where oh where did the el nino go... oh where oh where can it be?
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Re: Carbon issues

Post by Aussie » Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:32 pm

I tells ya the sky is falling!! That damned Carbon Tax!!!

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Re: Carbon issues

Post by Rorschach » Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:25 pm

Fortunately you'd be one of the few individuals on the planet that think the Hamster Wheel is real Arsie. Why is it that Greens and Labor supporters can't tell the difference between reality and comedy. Even if it is politically biased like this from those ex-uni flunkos who think they are funny.
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Re: Carbon issues

Post by boxy » Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:02 pm

Rorschach wrote:Want to get away from alarmist dribble...
see what's really going on with the climate?

http://joannenova.com.au/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" where oh where did the el nino go... oh where oh where can it be?
False advertising. Hint... alarmists on either side of the real picture.
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Re: Carbon issues

Post by Rorschach » Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:35 pm

We know where the alarmists are boxy.

Care to prove anything on the site re the El Nino article wrong?

The Australian Climate Change Commissioner, who just can't seem to get anything right let alone his alarmist predictions, stated that if everyone stopped producing emission today, that it would take hundreds if not a 1000 years before any temperature effect was noticed. (paraphrase) :lol:
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Re: Carbon issues

Post by Rorschach » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:53 pm

been watching the Alarmists dip their toes in the waters this week... wanting to really scream Sandy is due to Global Warming... the sky is falling the sky is falling...
But they've kept it kinda low key, even though they've been pushing it like that cretin on THE PROJECT the other night :roll:

JOHN Chapman (Letters, 1/11) says Hurricane Sandy's violence was an effect of human-caused global warming. He is wrong, for no scientific evidence supports such a proposition.

If the US had spent some of the millions it has squandered on global-warming alarmism on weather-proofing the eastern parts of their country, the disaster would have been smaller in magnitude. In particular, levees wouldn't have been breached in northern New Jersey, the subways wouldn't have been flooded in New York and power stations would have continued to operate.

That governments fail to plan for inevitable real-world weather or climate disasters while spending on what a New Zealand minister recently termed "the fad of global warming" is irresponsible and a failure of duty to care for their citizenry.

Governments should divert money from useless expenditure on renewable energy targets and anti-carbon dioxide schemes into constructive preparation for the next set of bushfires, storms, floods and drought - all of which are virtually certain to happen. This is such an obvious and cost-effective policy that one can only despair at the lack of political intelligence to apply it.
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IN attempting to link the devastation of Hurricane Sandy to anthropogenic global warming, John Chapman is misreading the signals. The ocean surface temperature across much of the North Atlantic, the genesis of Sandy, is now average to below average. There are no regional signs that elevated carbon dioxide is having any effect that could have influenced Sandy's development.

US government meteorologist Martin Hoerling has noted the coincidental alignment of tropical storm Sandy with an extra-tropical storm produced an interaction that led to the extreme event. Both tropical and extra-tropical storms are frequent at this time of year but it was the timing that is relatively rare. The hurricane of 1804 had a similar pressure drop as Sandy.

Storm surge and flooding levels associated with severe storms are well known from precedents. Such events, although rare, will recur and communities must prepare for such eventualities. Building on floodplains and low-lying coastal margins has inherent risk and the damage bill will be high unless precautions are taken.

Links between atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations and dangerous climate change remain tenuous.

William Kininmonth, Kew, Vic
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Re: Carbon issues

Post by Rorschach » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:53 pm

Climate link to Sandy invalid
* by: Graham Lloyd, Environment editor
* From: The Australian
* November 03, 2012 12:00AM

AUSTRALIA'S Climate Commission has misrepresented data from the leading US meteorological bureau to highlight a link between climate change and the severity of Superstorm Sandy which this week crippled New York.

In a statement on the disaster that hit North America on Monday, the federal government-sponsored Climate Commission said "all the evidence suggests that climate change exacerbated the severity of Hurricane Sandy".
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6509504684" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Carbon issues

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