Five Eyes Expose China's CV Coverup

[Black Orchid]

Have you seen their latest attempt at animated propaganda? The plebs are loving it.

[brian ross]

Nothing has been mentioned about the virus being man-made if that is what you are trying to allude to.

Well, el Presidente' Trump and Secretary of State, Pompeo appear to believe otherwise, Black Orchid. What do you think they mean when they claim it originated in a "lab"? You have quoted Pompeo twice now.

Like most people I think they meant that it came out of the lab in question (originated there) not that it was specifically engineered there.

Read the words, Brian. Don't misconstrue them.

I'm not misconstruing anything. I have asked for clarification. Now, why would it come from a lab (apparently deliberately)? What would be the point of releasing it into their own population? Please answer, Black Orchid.

Geez Brian maybe it was accidental or caused by mishandling? Who said anything about deliberately unleashing it on their own population?

So, it accidently came from a lab. Your evidence for this supposition is, what exactly, Black Orchid? It appears that the more questions are asked, the claim it came from a lab is more and more tenuous.

[brian ross]

Nothing has been mentioned about the virus being man-made if that is what you are trying to allude to.

Well, el Presidente' Trump and Secretary of State, Pompeo appear to believe otherwise, Black Orchid. What do you think they mean when they claim it originated in a "lab"? You have quoted Pompeo twice now.

Like most people I think they meant that it came out of the lab in question (originated there) not that it was specifically engineered there.

Read the words, Brian. Don't misconstrue them.

I'm not misconstruing anything. I have asked for clarification. Now, why would it come from a lab (apparently deliberately)? What would be the point of releasing it into their own population? Please answer, Black Orchid.

Might pay to be less of a fool (although maybe English isn't your first language) ... There is no indication of 'deliberately'...

Where is the supposition it was "accidental"? Neither Trump nor Pompeo are forthcoming. To me, it appears that they are trying to divert attention from their own failings and directing it to China. What evidence do you have that it was (a) in a lab, (b) that it was released from their either accidentally or deliberately? Anything at all or a few comments form el Presidente' Trump or his Secretary of State? Get back to us with some real, hard evidence.

[Black Orchid]

[brian ross]

Unable or unwilling to produce some evidence to back your claims. How unsurprising.

[Black Orchid]

Maybe you could supply some evidence that it was Trump's fault and China are the good guys?

You really need to get over your phobia and irrational hatred of Trump and start educating yourself, Brian. You could start by reading! You can read right? The way you twist what people say and misrepresent them I certainly have my doubts.

[brian ross]

Maybe you could supply some evidence that it was Trump's fault and China are the good guys?

You really need to stop erecting strawman arguments, Black Orchid. I have never claimed it was el Presidente' Trump's fault that COVID-19 occurred. If you have evidence to the contrary, post it please, otherwise, stop this ridiculous line of questioning. There are no good guys, there are no bad guys. This occurred because of happenstance and bad luck, nothing more.

You really need to get over your phobia and irrational hatred of Trump and start educating yourself, Brian. You could start by reading! You can read right? The way you twist what people say and misrepresent them I certainly have my doubts.

I don't have a phobia of el Presidente Trump nor do I particularly hate him. I am continually amazed that people believe the bullshit that he spouts though. I don't need to educated myself about what a charlatan and a fool he is and what he believes people will believe of him. He isn't the messiah. He is a naughty boy. He has fed you a line of bullshit and you and all the other followers of him have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

I will give him some praise though. He's made me appreciate what a statesman Obama was. He knew when to speak and he could speak well. He also knew when to keep his mouth shut. Something el Presidente' could learn from his predecessor.

[northofnorth]

Well, el Presidente' Trump and Secretary of State, Pompeo appear to believe otherwise, Black Orchid. What do you think they mean when they claim it originated in a "lab"? You have quoted Pompeo twice now.

Like most people I think they meant that it came out of the lab in question (originated there) not that it was specifically engineered there.

Read the words, Brian. Don't misconstrue them.

I'm not misconstruing anything. I have asked for clarification. Now, why would it come from a lab (apparently deliberately)? What would be the point of releasing it into their own population? Please answer, Black Orchid.

Might pay to be less of a fool (although maybe English isn't your first language) ... There is no indication of 'deliberately'...

Where is the supposition it was "accidental"? Neither Trump nor Pompeo are forthcoming. To me, it appears that they are trying to divert attention from their own failings and directing it to China. What evidence do you have that it was (a) in a lab, (b) that it was released from their either accidentally or deliberately? Anything at all or a few comments form el Presidente' Trump or his Secretary of State? Get back to us with some real, hard evidence.

Pompeo did say in an interview with the US ABC, when told that the scientific community were in consensus that the virus was not man-made or genetically modified, he said 'I have no reason to believe that they've got it wrong'...

However, Pompeo did attempt to deflect his (above) final statement earlier in the interview by saying he believed it was man-made... He also made claims that sub-standard practises at Chinese labs had happened before, which is interesting given the US had contributed millions of dollars for research to the WIV.

He then continued (on safer ground) to refer to the cover-up as the real issue of criminality.

Politicians do politics... That is ineradicable from their mindset.

Given the messiness of any human hierarchy, it's always wise to defer to the 'cock-up theory' than the 'conspiracy theory'...

However, there appears to be little doubt that the CCP attempted to cover up the extent of the outbreak, likely to buy time to 'clean it up' before word got out...

And this is where totalitarian regimes become dangerous because, like all criminal organisations, the have the 'luxury' of unaccountability such that they can easily eliminate witnesses, destroy evidence and concoct a story that they hope will stick with anyone who asks... In this, their resistance to an investigation is no different to the Hollywood archetypal crime cartel hiring their 'Jewish lawyers' to prevent the 'ever-vigilant' DA from making a case...

It's also clear that the CCP stockpiled safety equipment to deal with the internal problem, even to the point of surreptitiously returning as much as it could from other nations and also 'donating' faulty equipment to other nations...

These are acts of criminality based at least on gross cynicism, but more likely and importantly, arising from mortal fear of appearing weak to their own people...

You can laugh at Trump as he tries to extricate himself from his own poor response...

BUT at least you can laugh at him with a free media hounding him all the way...

Do you think Xi Xinping is enduring the same public criticism or publicly reported derision?

[Nom De Plume]

When a dangerous totalitarian regime is responsible for a global pandemic that brings the entire world to its knees, most people would agree that it is never too early to ask questions about what happened and who is responsible.
What is clearly needed is an urgent, international investigation to ascertain the facts. This should be carried out by a genuinely independent body (i.e. not the WHO), with experts from all countries (including China), with the power to go anywhere and seize any evidence it needs.
All governments should commit to being fully open and transparent with this inquiry. Unfortunately, the chances of this happening already appears almost non-existent.
In communist China, much evidence will already have been destroyed, while those who have tried to speak out have been swiftly arrested or "disappeared." The chances of them turning up alive and in a position to give evidence freely for such an inquiry seems remote.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3926582

Do you think Xi Xinping is enduring the same public criticism or publicly reported derision?[\quote]

[Black Orchid]

In communist China, much evidence will already have been destroyed, while those who have tried to speak out have been swiftly arrested or "disappeared." The chances of them turning up alive and in a position to give evidence freely for such an inquiry seems remote.

That's the biggest problem we face but the whole world has been turned on its head both economically and by loss of life so even if China destroys the evidence and people involved I doubt the globe will be very forgiving given their deplorable attempts at a cover-up since its inception in late November/early December.. I don't think they can fake their way out of this.

The WHO needs to be thoroughly investigated and put under a microscope as well.