ICAC anyone???

[Fred]

And thus it needs to be addressed federally… Listen I am all for Albanese appointment (or announcing) this investigagtion. For me, it promotes the party not detracts from it. BUT I have to ask why it was not commenced earlier, A completely legitimate question. Just because the body who uncovers the corruption can only act within the state should NEVER be an excuse to stick your head in the sand and pretend it didn’t happen…

Things do not happen instantaneously, Fred in any organisation of any size and the ALP is quite large. The reason why it didn't happen before was 'cause the pressure to mount it wasn't felt.

What??? Pressure to mount was not felt??? Don't give me that crap, since Obied gave evidence at the first enquiry pressure was being exerted on both sides to impose internal investigations and from both sides and every state to create and impose their own form of ICAC.

No, the truth is that the Then leader (who also had to front the ICAC) didn't want to upset the supporter base. He was too scared of what might come up. Simple reason NOBODY trusted the scumbag, he would say one thing and act another...

The ALP is made up of separate state parties, Fred. Each one is a separate entity. Each is organised differently. Indeed, I remember my first year Politics lecturer pointing out that when he asked the ALP how the NSW branch was organised they didn't know and were very interested once he'd analysed it 'cause they wanted the information for their own purposes. NSW has a lot of hang overs from the days of the Rum Corps still and the political parties are symptoms of that...

The Federal Branch of the ALP is very distinct from the state branches. You really cannot compare them.

All completely irrelevant.

Good. Neither do I. I believe all political parties should be investigated - the ALP, the Tories, the Nats, the PHONies. All have skeletons lurking in their closets.

Yes, but by initiating their own investigation Albanese is creating the culture of not waiting to be caught. The problem comes if they ignore corruption in their investigation (such as the constitutional crisis with dual citizens the ALP tried to hide and subvert) . I believe Albanese has huge amount of integrity and credibility over his predecessor, so he has to be sure that this is not a snow job.

The ALP deserves investigation just as much as the Tories do. When we see Gladys Liu being investigated, along with all the other crooked politicians amongst the Muppets who make up our present government, I will be satisfied. Let us put all the dirty laundry out - ALL of it.

And we should, As I said in agreeance with Black was that Liu should not even be there. There is a lot of innuendo about if she is corrupt or not and to me that is the first reason she should not have been indorsed to sit for the seat. Then we have Asio and the AFP both cautioning the then Prime Minister not to go to this function due to nature of the guests. For that to be public knowledge there is considerable issue. I am guessing at the time, Both myself and Black we little taken back that not much noise was made.

So in thus, while you Suggest it is nothing more than a ALP bash, the facts are further from the truth. This is about applauding the NEW leader for acting in decently and addressing those topics his predecessor was too scared to address. I think Albanese should have the support of all to clean up his party and surroundings. He is batting 3-0 at the moment in my book.

Again, the question is legitimate because substantial elements that supported shorten remain in influential position in the party. Will they toe the line or continue the degradation of the standards of the party, ergo chances of government.

But the most pertinent thing about talking about Dastyari, Black was pointing out that very issue. Thus the point as stated

Any and all, from both sides, should be investigated for receiving money from foreign developers like Huang Xiamgmo. Foreign donations should not be allowed period. There is only one reason Chinese funds are poured into a party, especially in an Aldi bag. Didn't they learn anything from Sam Dastyari?

Your point on partisanship of Black Orchard falls short here. You might be using other comment and action to support your theory, but I have the luxury of starting fresh. AS I requested previoulsy, I would like the respect to decide that myself.

Oh, and don't call me "dude".

fair enough, so I am guessing your asking for reasonable respect??? Since you punctuate all your comments with I suggest you treat me with some respect as well. So, from here on, we will show each other the modicum of respect you request for yourself???