You tofu eating fruitloops! Like, what the hell! Exceptional boneheadedness, even by your standards!
The RuddBank was to help developers get finance, the government is putting in a token amount and is therefore in no situation to demand anything in relation to executive salaries! It is about saving jobs! You have to admit, Rudd has not let the grass grow under his feet re the Global Recession. He does not need fruitloops tripping him up!
Look, you expect the Libs to play politics on everything. The cross benches can get marginal changes, when you try for more disaster happens. This stunt is on a par with the fundy Fielding opposing the alcopops tax then saying he had broken the back of the alcohol industry! You really want to be in such dim company?
What happened anyway, you lot get a real coffee yesterday in place of your usual skinny soy decaffe? I hope the unions see you for the middle class dilettantes and fools that you have shown yourselves to be and withdraw any support for the Green Fools.
(signed)
Open letter to Bob Brown re "Rudd Bank"
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Jovial Monk
Re: Open letter to Bob Brown re "Rudd Bank"
This shit really pisses me off. The Ruddbank would have seen the govt advancing, at normal market interest rates, a couple billion dollars to kickstart a fund to step in where foreign lenders withdraw (as has been opening) to keep construction projects going. Would not be good to lose thousands of construction jobs and have half finished projects everywhere--would hurt that fragile flower confidence (business and consumer) and undo a lot of the good work the Rudd govt has done re the GFC. When the economy recovered the govt advance would be repaid--the tax payers would have profited.
Malcolm Turdbull and his "jobs jobs jobs" mantra is a politics playing fool, now opposing a measure to safeguard thousands of jobs! The Greens and Mr X OTOH usually know how to play the game, asking for marginal changes/compromises that makes them look good but don't fundamentally change anything--all a crossbencher can ask for.
On this issue tho the Greens were more like the fundy fuckwit Fielding--worse in fact, Fielding at least supported the measure! Aaaaarrrggghhhh, fucking politics at a time like this!
And bloody Brown should have organised a loan twelve months ago to pay his court ordered costs. The thought of a Senator using his position as a begging bowl fills me with disgust!
Malcolm Turdbull and his "jobs jobs jobs" mantra is a politics playing fool, now opposing a measure to safeguard thousands of jobs! The Greens and Mr X OTOH usually know how to play the game, asking for marginal changes/compromises that makes them look good but don't fundamentally change anything--all a crossbencher can ask for.
On this issue tho the Greens were more like the fundy fuckwit Fielding--worse in fact, Fielding at least supported the measure! Aaaaarrrggghhhh, fucking politics at a time like this!
And bloody Brown should have organised a loan twelve months ago to pay his court ordered costs. The thought of a Senator using his position as a begging bowl fills me with disgust!
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Leftofcentresalterego
re Open letter to Bob Brown re Ruddbank
What the fuck is with the stupid old poofter? Government spending is currently about the only thing stopping the building industry from going into a death spiral.
Brown must have some agenda, even he couldn't be that thick.
Could he?
Brown must have some agenda, even he couldn't be that thick.
Could he?
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Jovial Monk
Re: Open letter to Bob Brown re "Rudd Bank"
I guess for a second the Green Fools thought they were a real political party instead of a motley collection on single-issue dimwits.
Seems Ruddbank will be re-introduced in October--another trigger I guess, along with ETS and perhaps the alcopops. Bet it will get past that time, hopefully the Greens stop smoking waccy baccy b4 then and offer to pass the Bill b4 then. Spaced out whackjobs is putting it kindly!
Saw or heard some other whackjobs saying the Recession was about over so Ruddbank no longer needed, whack whack sploosh. Oh yeah, we see some green shoots, also the dire gray clouds of protectionism blotting out economic sunlight so let us not prattle the global recession is over FFS. Love the mangled metaphors eh
It seems Talcum Allbull will pass the ETS/MERT eventually the Oz, aka OO aka Daily Fiberal attacking the schools program still today, tho the lovely Julia took aim at them in QT yesterday and blew their stupid claims, every one of them, out the water. Of course today they were very careful to be very vague and general--not liking to have to retract an on-line article again.
Will there be some stuff ups in the building the schools program? Probably. Does it really matter? Not really. Keynes himself said that the stimulus could be used to pay one group of men to dig holes and another group to fill them up again and it would still provide the desired economic stimulus. Doubt any big stuff ups--the principals & parent-teacher committees have the final say. This is really more an economic stimulus measure than a schools one.
All that said, neither the Fibs nor the Daily Liar aka Daily Fiberal has really been able to point to any real misuse of public money.
Seems Ruddbank will be re-introduced in October--another trigger I guess, along with ETS and perhaps the alcopops. Bet it will get past that time, hopefully the Greens stop smoking waccy baccy b4 then and offer to pass the Bill b4 then. Spaced out whackjobs is putting it kindly!
Saw or heard some other whackjobs saying the Recession was about over so Ruddbank no longer needed, whack whack sploosh. Oh yeah, we see some green shoots, also the dire gray clouds of protectionism blotting out economic sunlight so let us not prattle the global recession is over FFS. Love the mangled metaphors eh
It seems Talcum Allbull will pass the ETS/MERT eventually the Oz, aka OO aka Daily Fiberal attacking the schools program still today, tho the lovely Julia took aim at them in QT yesterday and blew their stupid claims, every one of them, out the water. Of course today they were very careful to be very vague and general--not liking to have to retract an on-line article again.
Will there be some stuff ups in the building the schools program? Probably. Does it really matter? Not really. Keynes himself said that the stimulus could be used to pay one group of men to dig holes and another group to fill them up again and it would still provide the desired economic stimulus. Doubt any big stuff ups--the principals & parent-teacher committees have the final say. This is really more an economic stimulus measure than a schools one.
All that said, neither the Fibs nor the Daily Liar aka Daily Fiberal has really been able to point to any real misuse of public money.
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Leftofcentresalterego
re Open letter to Bob Brown re Ruddbank
"Will there be some stuff ups in the building the schools program? Probably. Does it really matter? Not really. Keynes himself said that the stimulus could be used to pay one group of men to dig holes and another group to fill them up again and it would still provide the desired economic stimulus. Doubt any big stuff ups--the principals & parent-teacher committees have the final say. This is really more an economic stimulus measure than a schools one."
Yup. Despite all the whinging and whining from right-wing snot rags like The Australian, about the worst that can be said is that schools will not get to spend the money in exactly the way they want to and that builders - desperate for cash in the downturn - may do some gouging. Well, it is up to individual school administrations to make sure they get the best tender - and with school budgets having been squeezed through this long neo-liberal era, they are fairly good at sniffing out the best deal.
We are getting a new library, about 30% larger than the existing library. Is the existing one in good condition? Yes. So do we really need a new one? No - but this will give us an extra permanent building to use for whatever. We are always looking for space for various activities after a demountable building was taken away a few years ago. So it will be a net benefit to us. Guess which silly prick will get to lug all the books and funiture across to the new building?
And no matter what sort of value for money schools get, the money will enter the economy and act as a stimulus regardless. As you say, it's an economic stimulus measure than a schools one.
Yup. Despite all the whinging and whining from right-wing snot rags like The Australian, about the worst that can be said is that schools will not get to spend the money in exactly the way they want to and that builders - desperate for cash in the downturn - may do some gouging. Well, it is up to individual school administrations to make sure they get the best tender - and with school budgets having been squeezed through this long neo-liberal era, they are fairly good at sniffing out the best deal.
We are getting a new library, about 30% larger than the existing library. Is the existing one in good condition? Yes. So do we really need a new one? No - but this will give us an extra permanent building to use for whatever. We are always looking for space for various activities after a demountable building was taken away a few years ago. So it will be a net benefit to us. Guess which silly prick will get to lug all the books and funiture across to the new building?
And no matter what sort of value for money schools get, the money will enter the economy and act as a stimulus regardless. As you say, it's an economic stimulus measure than a schools one.
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Wow
Re: re Open letter to Bob Brown re Ruddbank
That is very naive thinking. You're basically saying that its okay to waste money because it helps the economy. Why in fuck would you call it an education revolution if it were not meant to improve schools? why build a new library if the existing one is fine? why not be allowed to build whatever the fuck you need or buy computers or text books instead? if so much money is to be thrown around at least let schools get the stuff thats no 1 on their list. No best tender process is happening because schools are being ripped off. Your post is insane. Typical blind shit rant.
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Trotsky
Re: re Open letter to Bob Brown re Ruddbank
Explain how the tender process works under a rorting/commie/pork barrelling Liebor govt you naive fucking idiot?Well, it is up to individual school administrations to make sure they get the best tender - and with school budgets having been squeezed through this long neo-liberal era, they are fairly good at sniffing out the best deal.
Your kids will thank you for the sky high fucking taxes dipshitSo do we really need a new one? No - but this will give us an extra permanent building to use for whatever.
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Leftofcentresalterego
Re: re Open letter to Bob Brown re Ruddbank
Wow, perhaps I didn't make it clear enough that I would prefer it that schools were allowed to spend the money exactly how they wanted as individuals. However, a new building is the next best thing. Only small schools do not have space issues. When one demountable building was taken away, our special ed unit and the p&c's uniform shop had to be squeezed into other buildings so the new library will create much needed space. The plan is a template but there is fair scope to alter the interior design at the school admin/p&c's discretion.
Also, while the existing library remains structurally sound, it was built in the days when students did not have access to computers or any 21'st century media. The new building has all the data hardware access built in, has computerised blackboard screens etc plus is significantly larger to accomodate more of those old-fashioned things called books.
New computers schools already have in plenty, thanks to the federal governments computers in schools program. As JM has said, this is more an economic stimulus measure than a schools one. Regardless of how the money is spent, it will end up in the economy, that's the main thing from a stimulus point of veiw. We could have used the money to buy large amounts of imported equipment but there is already a running stimulus program in that area and the building industry - a big employer - is in fairly serious trouble. This will help it along.
Trotsky, the tendering process is much the same under any government - and the federal government are far from commie and you are getting the rorting/pork barreling bit confused. That belongs to the other mob.
Go and study some basic modern macroeconomics and if you have half a brain you will understand that the "our kids will pay higher taxes because of the spending now" is utter horseshit.
Also, while the existing library remains structurally sound, it was built in the days when students did not have access to computers or any 21'st century media. The new building has all the data hardware access built in, has computerised blackboard screens etc plus is significantly larger to accomodate more of those old-fashioned things called books.
New computers schools already have in plenty, thanks to the federal governments computers in schools program. As JM has said, this is more an economic stimulus measure than a schools one. Regardless of how the money is spent, it will end up in the economy, that's the main thing from a stimulus point of veiw. We could have used the money to buy large amounts of imported equipment but there is already a running stimulus program in that area and the building industry - a big employer - is in fairly serious trouble. This will help it along.
Trotsky, the tendering process is much the same under any government - and the federal government are far from commie and you are getting the rorting/pork barreling bit confused. That belongs to the other mob.
Go and study some basic modern macroeconomics and if you have half a brain you will understand that the "our kids will pay higher taxes because of the spending now" is utter horseshit.
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Jovial Monk
Re: re Open letter to Bob Brown re Ruddbank
hehehehe oh some mothers do 'ave 'em
It ain't pork barreling when the money is spent in e v e r y s i n g l e electorate in the fucking country fuckwit!
Want a real example of pork barreling? Howard gave the Nuts tens of billions to play with, so-called Auslink and later the Regional Partnerships much better known as Regional Rorts. Despite all this money the Rudd govt is spending money to fix the Bruce (IIRC) Hway in the electorate of Wide Bay, home to that buffoon Warren Truss, Nuts leader in HoR. The Nuts had billions and 12 years and didn't fix it.
So, bit more care in calling something porkbarreling, eh dickhead?
It ain't pork barreling when the money is spent in e v e r y s i n g l e electorate in the fucking country fuckwit!
Want a real example of pork barreling? Howard gave the Nuts tens of billions to play with, so-called Auslink and later the Regional Partnerships much better known as Regional Rorts. Despite all this money the Rudd govt is spending money to fix the Bruce (IIRC) Hway in the electorate of Wide Bay, home to that buffoon Warren Truss, Nuts leader in HoR. The Nuts had billions and 12 years and didn't fix it.
So, bit more care in calling something porkbarreling, eh dickhead?
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Leftofcentresalterego
re Open letter to Bob Brown re Ruddbank
"hehehehe oh some mothers do 'ave 'em
It ain't pork barreling when the money is spent in e v e r y s i n g l e electorate in the fucking country fuckwit!
Want a real example of pork barreling? Howard gave the Nuts tens of billions to play with, so-called Auslink and later the Regional Partnerships much better known as Regional Rorts. Despite all this money the Rudd govt is spending money to fix the Bruce (IIRC) Hway in the electorate of Wide Bay, home to that buffoon Warren Truss, Nuts leader in HoR. The Nuts had billions and 12 years and didn't fix it.
So, bit more care in calling something porkbarreling, eh dickhead?"
I'll pay that reply JM
It ain't pork barreling when the money is spent in e v e r y s i n g l e electorate in the fucking country fuckwit!
Want a real example of pork barreling? Howard gave the Nuts tens of billions to play with, so-called Auslink and later the Regional Partnerships much better known as Regional Rorts. Despite all this money the Rudd govt is spending money to fix the Bruce (IIRC) Hway in the electorate of Wide Bay, home to that buffoon Warren Truss, Nuts leader in HoR. The Nuts had billions and 12 years and didn't fix it.
So, bit more care in calling something porkbarreling, eh dickhead?"
I'll pay that reply JM
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