Ban Muslims?

[Rorschach]

The Islamic Centre in Melbourne linked to Christmas terror plot
Chris Johnston

From their own social media posts, it is clear that several of the young Melbourne men accused of plotting a Christmas Day terror attack have spent time at a place called the Hume Islamic Youth Centre in Coolaroo.

Despite it being linked again and again to young jihadist warriors from Melbourne, it keeps a reputation as a 'moderate' Islamic centre, primarily a place for young Muslims from the northern suburbs to meet informally. It has a gym, table tennis and pool tables, a boxing ring, a cafe and a shop. Next door in a shopping centre is another gym; nearby is Paradise Hijabs and Imran's Warehouse, a discount store.

Speaking from the site of a potential terrorist attack on Saturday, the Victorian Police Chief Commissioner, the Victorian Premier and the Lord Mayor of Melbourne urged residents and visitors to use the city as normal.

The centre is not a place where young Muslims would as a matter of course hear firebrand clerics advocating violence against the West. But authorities believe it is a central focal point of the Melbourne community, and they know it is watched over by Sheikh Mohammed Omran​, a veteran and very senior leader of Australia's Islamic fundamentalists.

He is the highest ranked cleric in the country for the Salafi movement – Salafi being a more conservative strand of Sunni Islam, advocating a return to older and more purist traditions. Sheikh Omran also heads a Sydney Islamic Centre, ASWJ.

Hardcore preachers Musa Cerantonio and Junaid Thorne, who have had their passports revoked by the federal government, have both given talks at Omran's centres. His Brunswick mosque attracted 18 devotees who were later convicted in Victoria and New South Wales by Operation Pendennis, Australia's largest counter-terrorism sting.

Some of those, including men known to have attended the Hume Centre, were accused of being a part of a terrorism cell led by Abdul Nacer Benbrika (aka Abu Bakr), who was jailed for 15 years in 2009.

Omran himself has denounced Islamic State as khawarij, or outsiders. He was born in Jordan and studied in Saudi Arabia. He would accept his followers are fundamentalists but would deny outright they are extremists.

But regardless of whether it is a kindergarten for radicalisation or something more benign, the centre's comings and goings have been watched by ASIO for two years.

Three of the four young men this week charged with planning the Christmas IS-style attacks on Federation Square and St Paul's Cathedral have attended – Abdullah Chaarani, 26, of nearby Dallas, and the Abbas brothers Ibrahim, 22, and Hamza, 21, who live in Campbellfield and Flemington.

Jake Bilardi passed through its doors. He was the 18-year-old 'white jihadi' from Craigieburn who died in a suicide attack for Islamic State in Iraq last year. Adam Dahman, of Northcote, also a suicide bomber in the Middle East, was a Facebook supporter of a guest preacher at the centre, Melbourne-born Khoder Soueid, who himself has professed support for Islamic State.

It has also been reported another young Melbourne man, Dawod Elmir, who joined Islamic State, was a regular at the centre.

The centre is also a key fundraiser for Islamic causes, including this week raising money through a bake-sale for humanitarian causes in Syria.

We have similar centres in Sydney. We have gaoled Jihadists too.
The question is how do we put an end to this problem.
A problem we seem to have IMPORTED.

[Black Orchid]

Ban Muslims?

Yes, we cannot afford their welfare bills, monitoring bills, tracking bills, new task force bills, incarceration bills and now we are building more jails to house them.

[Black Orchid]

Ban Muslims?

Yes, we cannot afford their welfare bills, monitoring bills, tracking bills, new task force bills, incarceration bills, de-radicalisation bills and now we are building more jails to house them. So that's a definite YES.

[AnaTom]

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Don't forget Turnbabble has yet to resettle gangs from Mexico with the support of US special interest groups like the CF, and Soros Traffic.Inc

It aint over until...

[mantra]

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Don't forget Turnbabble has yet to resettle gangs from Mexico with the support of US special interest groups like the CF, and Soros Traffic.Inc

It aint over until...

How much is that going to cost? How many Mexicans will we have to take in exchange for a few hundred refugees and not all of them are Muslims. Double or triple the number maybe? Will we get the worst of them in this exchange?

Australia is still the penal colony we became 240 years ago, except we've grown soft in the head. The criminals rule us now - not the other way around.

[cods]

banning others wouldnt make any difference to those we already have....

I am hoping we have a lot of law abiding Muslims here who love Australia and would even fight for Australia..

I dont like condemning a whole culture b ecause of the few maniacs....but it is coming to that sadly...

the choice of becoming Australian should be harder...

knowing history has nothing to do with today....

no face covering up would be high on my list...EVER...

what they do behind their own doors is one thing..

but we have always had open faces....since time began...

they want to cover their face go live in the Middle East....it isnt as if there is a shortage of places for them to go..

I dont care what god they worship or what name they call him...

but our LAWS are OUR LAWS made to include everyone....>. I will not accept a minority group being selective..... sorry.

[Rorschach]

So we should keep adding to the numbers through IMPORTATION then eh cods? Is that what you are saying?
Can you tell a good Muslim from a bad Muslim just by looking at them?

[Neferti]

Stop immigration! Period. There (apparently) isn't enough jobs around now and those immigrants will immediately go on the Dole. We cannot afford this.

CEASE settling of Muslims from the ME. They don't want to be Aussies ... they want a free ride. We cannot afford to have all these people here. As an "island continent" we are lucky .... we can stop the influx. Anybody with half a brain can see what is happening in the UK and America and Europe.

I do have a solution and it would give Trump and Putin "something" for their Armies to do. BOMB the ME ... out of existence ... (but try to avoid Israel) none of the "shock and awe" of GWB .... more RID THE WORLD of this lot of sand dwellers .... when it starts, send ALL the Muslim males/females under 50 over there to fight their fight.

SOLVED.

[cods]

So we should keep adding to the numbers through IMPORTATION then eh cods? Is that what you are saying?
Can you tell a good Muslim from a bad Muslim just by looking at them?

do you think its possible to ban a whole CULTURE?...

we even have Australian MUSLIMS....they are as white as I am...do you think we could pick them out as well?????..

how would you BAN all muslims then....tell me the secret..

I am suggesting if we made the rules harder and they would have to BEND our way or its no way...

this might prevent them wanting to come here..

its just a suggestion.

[cods]

nefs got a good solution....

does she want to volunteer to press the bomb button???

killing zillions of women and children isnt my go... for any reason.....


but I have the strangest feeling..

thats exactly what ISIS is trying to do..