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Re: She's Pregnant

Post by mellie » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:05 pm

Rorschach, got the pitchfork out again I see. :roll:

We are a civilised (well, I like to think a decent percentage of us are anyway) society, this and don't need to use social-media to target our home grown rising talent.

Everyone was ok (Including Prince Charles) with the phone hoax, this and wasn't taking it too seriously until the nurse deceased.

Whilst some criticized the prank itself, this and said it was stupid, they weren't expressing the harsh views they are now since her departure.

And why?

Because noone, not even her family who she kept in regular (weekly) contact with back in India had any idea she was distressed about the phone-hoax incident, in fact, the first they heard of it was after she had killed herself which begs the question, did she commit suicide due to having transferred a hoax-call to a colleague, or was there something else going on the family and or hospital management would rather keep from the tabloid/coroner?

It hasn't even been confirmed that she wilfully set out to take her own life, for all we know this may have been an accidental overdose.
She was burning it at both ends in the lead-up to her death, had been working double shifts, (may have been using prescription and or non-prescription meds to sleep/stay awake for double shifts) .....and for some reason or other had been assuming receptionist duties, manning the hospital switchboard the morning the radio hosts called.

Why was a highly skilled and valued health care professional assuming menial duties, aka operating the hospital switchboard to begin with?

And especially one with a possible language barrier, when she was unable to detect the mangled false British accent that was to be mistaken for the Queens?

Perhaps she was assuming 'light duties' due to a recent illness, I know when nurses endure burnout, they are often delegated alternative tasks (lighter duties) until they feel well enough to assume regular duties.

The recent photo of herself is quite telling I think, sorry, but this just doesn't happen to people overnight, and the photo was taken before the hoax phone call took place.

Look, we can all sit here and surmise, this is suggest what may have occurred, but the truth is, none of us really know why or even IF this nurse killed herself.

But what we do know is that it's highly unlikely that an otherwise happy, balanced professional of sound mind and character would suddenly kill themselves over something like this, because happy sane people just don't wake up one day after just one bad day at work and think, "I might top myself today, as life is just not worth living."
Suicide is far more complex than that.

I think we owe it to her and her family to keep an open mind this and explore the circumstances surrounding her death with a view to getting to the bottom of what really happened to her.
Imagine if there was more to it, ie, it was discovered she had been under stress due to workplace bullying for quite some time of which hospital management had failed to address.
Again, why was she operating the hospital switchboard given her degree of clinical expertise?

Perhaps the family know exactly what happened, and have intentions of negotiating a private settlement with hospital management?
This is afterall the Royals preferred hospital, so a scandal like this might reflect poorly on those who run it.

The British tabloid want you to think she commit suicide over a prank-call she transferred to a colleague, THE END...but I don't believe it's as straightforward as they would have us believe, and think there is far more to it.

Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that the royal family and hospital management didn't give the staff involved in the leak a good dressing down, (at least a firm word) despite their claims of having not disciplined them after the stunt, rather claim to have offered them support and counselling instead.

Oh yeah sure.... :read

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Re: She's Pregnant

Post by mellie » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:35 am

As I suspected, the family and their spokesperson are not exactly impressed with the hospitals management, read the following and tell me what you think.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/family ... 6534146861

I think the family are waiting to see what the hospital management does in order to make good of a terrible tragedy, this and are sending the hospitals management a very clear message.

Pay up or else we will tell all to the press, tell the press what really drove her to take her own life.



Just my thoughts.



The hospital donation to the family of an "undisclosed amount of money" is interesting also.

The family's community elder and spokesperson seems more disgruntled with the hospitals management than the two young Australian DJ's who made the hoax call.

Oh no, we cant possibly blame the "Royal's" hospital management, as this death has tainted what was to be the joyous announcement of a royal baby third in line to the throne.
Now whenever this pregnancy is mentioned, or even googled, images of a now deceased nurse comes up.

The royal family want to distance themselves from this tragedy as much as possible and their chosen hospital must do so also.

Now why would this be I wonder?

8-).... It will come out in the wash eventually, I suspect. If only in dribs and drabs to begin with.
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Re: She's Pregnant

Post by Super Nova » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:46 am

The worm is turning here in the UK. Lot's of comments on the radio where people are saying... don't blame the DJs, that what the are put on earth to do.
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Re: She's Pregnant

Post by mellie » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:54 am

Super Nova wrote:The worm is turning here in the UK. Lot's of comments on the radio where people are saying... don't blame the DJs, that what the are put on earth to do.

I think a lot of people who were quick to pass judgement and blame the DJ's will be feeling their first pangs of embarrassment by the end of the week.

8-)

An excerpt taken from the following article...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/family ... 6534146861
Family spokesperson, prominent Indian community leader and MP Keith Vaz took to the radio waves to criticise the King Edward VII hospital where Mrs Saldanha worked, saying the Aussie DJs who tricked her were getting greater support from their employers than the hospital had offered the family. No-one from the prestigious hospital had bothered to visit the family who live in Southmead outside Bristol, two and a half hours west of London.

Stung by the criticism, the hospital issued a media statement saying they were offering all the help they could and announced the establishment of a memorial fund to raise money for Mrs Saldanha’s family. The hospital made the first undisclosed donation.
Interesting!

And I wonder what the sum of the undisclosed money was?

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Re: She's Pregnant

Post by Rorschach » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:15 am

The worm is turning here in the UK. Lot's of comments on the radio where people are saying... don't blame the DJs, that what the are put on earth to do.
Obviously as more facts come out people's opinions will change... but I won't be changing mine SN...
Seriously people this never was a joke and it wasn't the least bit funny. It was just a very stupid thoughtless prank and actions have consequences and now this poor woman is dead
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Perhaps others who misquote and defame others need to stop being so rabid and wrong for a change.
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Re: She's Pregnant

Post by mellie » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:21 am


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Re: She's Pregnant

Post by mellie » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:23 am

Obviously as more facts come out people's opinions will change... but I won't be changing mine SN...
- The roach

I mean why allow facts to get in the way of a good witch hunt , eh roach?

:roll

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Re: She's Pregnant

Post by mellie » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:05 am

Mr Vaz has now issued a statement tonight calling for an inquiry by the hospital.
'The family are understandably devastated by the events of the past few days,' he said.
'They want the facts to be established so that they can effectively grieve.
'What is needed, clearly, is an inquiry by the hospital into how this tragic case happened.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... h-Vaz.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting, I would have thought the hospital (if they had nothing to hide) would have taken it upon themselves to investigate this tragedy, without having to be badgered to do so by the family's spokesperson, when it seems finding out why an alleged highly valued employee commit suicide as a result of an incident which allegedly occurred in her workplace just isn't worthy of a hospital inquiry, according to hospital management.

But they were quick to start up a memorial fund in her honour with an undisclosed sum of money as soon as the family's spokesperson accused them of being unsupportive and requested hospital management investigate the incident.

In other words..."here grieving family, wipe your tears with our 'undisclosed' donation aka wads of donated cash, but as for finding out what really happened to your mother, wife, a member of our staff ... well, that's another matter, something we'd rather distance ourselves from as much as possible at this stage."

One has a 'royal' image to maintain after all.

8-)

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Re: She's Pregnant

Post by Rorschach » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:05 am

Royal prank should trigger media soul-searching, but not regulation
December 11, 2012
Gerard Henderson
Executive director, The Sydney Institute

"It is a wise principle of life that the articulate and the bold should not play pranks on less articulate and ordinary folk".


There is little point in punishing the 2DayFM presenters Michael Christian and Mel Greig, who conducted the hoax call concerning the Duchess of Cambridge's medical condition - or the radio station's management, which apparently endorsed the stunt. However, lessons can be learnt from the incident, which appears to have had the unintended consequence of King Edward VII Hospital nurse Jacintha Saldanha taking her own life.

The advent of Facebook and Twitter has exponentially increased access to public knowledge, along with the prospect of public humiliation. Before the age of the internet, a person might be embarrassed by reports of his or her behaviour in a newspaper or in an electronic media report in a limited area and at a specific time. Now, success is a universally known phenomenon. And so is failure - or, rather, the perception of failure.

The circumstances surrounding Saldanha's death have yet to be determined. Yet there is plausible evidence that the nurse was deeply embarrassed by the fact that she took a call from Christian and Greig believing them to be Prince Charles and the Queen - despite very poor impersonations by the 2DayFM presenters. This could induce a feeling of shame by a nurse with respect to any patient. All the more so when the recipient of such a hoax is a person of Indian birth living in Britain and the patient concerned is married to the Queen's grandson. This despite the fact the royal family handled the situation well.

The tragedy should not be used by the regulators in our midst to introduce even more controls over the media. There are more than enough in this area already. As Professor Barbara McDonald pointed out on ABC News Breakfast on Monday, it is possible the incident has involved breaches of the NSW Surveillance Devices Act. Also, 2DayFM may have breached the commercial radio code of practice, which is monitored by the Australian Communications and Media Authority. The relevant authorities will determine these matters under the existing law. If there are breaches the full force of the law should be brought to bear.

In the final analysis, the private sector media is dependent on public support - that of those who advertise and those who choose to purchase advertised products and/or pay for newspapers or subscriber TV. The managers of 2DayFM and other similar outlets are just as capable of reading the public mood as was Rupert Murdoch when he saw the need to close down the News of the World in London following the phone hacking scandal.

The two lessons to be learnt from the royal hoax stand out clearly. First, an individual's medical condition should always be private and confidential while he/she is receiving medical attention. The hoax of recent memory when a Canadian broadcaster, posing as the then Canadian prime minister Jean Chretien managed to have a discussion with the Queen in 1995 about Quebec independence was funny - and ultimately - harmless. An attempt to find out, by deception, details about someone who is hospitalised is never funny - and it may prove harmful.

On The World Today on Monday, the presenter of ABC TV's Media Watch, Jonathan Holmes, confidently declared that before Saldanha's death it was generally thought that the hoax was ''pretty damn funny, one has to admit''. Well, this does not have to be conceded because it is not accurate.

It is true, for example, that some ABC programs initially joined in the fun of the hoax. But not all. On 702, for example, Linda Mottram considered running the Christian/Greig interview but decided not to. A wise decision at the time - which looks even better in retrospect.

The second message to take from the King Edward VII Hospital incident is that it is wrong to kick down. It is a wise principle of life that the articulate and the bold should not play pranks on less articulate and ordinary folk - particularly if there is a difference in education involved. The pranks enacted by commercial stations like 2DayFM invariably strike at receptionists/janitors/police/security personnel/nurses in the first instance.

It's much the same on the taxpayer-funded public broadcaster. For years, the ABC's Chaser team was given permission by management to trespass on private property - despite the fact the ABC has elaborate security to keep trespassers away from its own premises. Also, the likes of Julian Morrow, who supported the Christian/Greig stunt before it turned sour, invariably humiliated receptionists, police, even sick children and others in their unsuccessful attempts to confront the powerful and the wealthy.

From experience, I know even some of the seemingly most confident media personalities are remarkably sensitive to criticism or ridicule. That's why we all have to be so careful in the modern age about the feelings of others. Perhaps the best way to prevent improper media behaviour is to encourage a sense of self-awareness among presenters, editors and managers alike.

Gerard Henderson is the executive director of the Sydney Institute.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ ... z2EhFZhJnw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seriously people this never was a joke and it wasn't the least bit funny. It was just a very stupid thoughtless prank and actions have consequences and now this poor woman is dead
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Re: She's Pregnant

Post by mellie » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:16 pm

How many deaths/suicides have been attributed to our nations radio prank culture?

However, how many deaths and suicides have been attributed to burnout among members of the health care profession?

Nurses and Doctors (and even ward-clerks) have a deplorable suicide rate world over, has anything been done to address this?

Least not by this hospitals management, that's for sure, for they don't even want to investigate, this is delve into the facts that may have contributed towards their employees tragic death.

It's not as simple as a woman committing suicide due to having transferred a prank-call to a work colleague.

Tell me, how is the nurse that actually divulged the sensitive information to the DJ's holding up, and why hasn't she killed herself also?

No, they have been careful not to mention her, it's as though the nurse who killed herself was the only member of staff involved in the breech of patient confidentiality.

You cant blame two young radio DJ's for a prank radio culture that's been entrenched, and even celebrated in this country long before they were even born.

I am tired of changing our culture to suit someone else's.

They ran this prank past their radio stations legal team before it went to air, (as is protocol) this and were given the go ahead.

They were simply being DJ's, were doing their job. Were doing what was expected of them though unfortunately, have endured this and will probably be effected for life. Professionally compromised at best.

Are you suggesting we alter the culture of our Australian radio because one woman commit suicide for reasons still not understood on the other side of the world?

Must we cave in to the whims of a precious society (Brits) wanting to point the finger of blame at anyone but themselves?

How about we wait for the facts and find out why she killed herself before altering the fibre of our own cultural fabric when it comes to our much loved tradition of Australian radio larrikinism.

Why should we change to shield other party's wanting to deflect blame?

This is what it comes down to.

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