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Aussie

Re: Clusterfuck

Post by Aussie » Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:39 pm

billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:47 pm
Cyprus, for example has the majority of their people jabbed, yet
currently have the most covid cases per capita on earth....
There has to be an explanation for these numbers....
Isnt it similar in Australia....
The jab rollout is getting more and more jabs into arms...yet the case
numbers are going up.....
Something doesnt add up.....
The only consistent factors are jabs are going up and number of
positive cases are going up...whilst testing in Australia is also going up....
Do the maths.....
Its like a race horse that only wins on a wet track...
Its called pattern recognition.....
As I said....
Do the maths....
The vaccine is not the silver bullet preventer. What it does is minimise the impact of the nasty. It does not prevent anyone getting the nasty.

You watch the new case numbers hugely spike in the UK when they open up in a few days....but......there should be fewer people in Hospitals and/or coffins.

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Re: Clusterfuck

Post by J o h n S m i t h » Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:05 pm

billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:40 pm
The good doctor is questioning the covid surge in jabbed countries..
Why? Stands to reason that once the population has been vaccinated they wouldn't pay to much attention to other preventive measures such as social distancing and masks ... of course the virus is going to surge if its allowed to...

vaccines are generally never about stopping the virus..... they're about limiting the effects of the virus.

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Re: Clusterfuck

Post by billy the kid » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:18 pm

J o h n S m i t h wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:05 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:40 pm
The good doctor is questioning the covid surge in jabbed countries..
Why? Stands to reason that once the population has been vaccinated they wouldn't pay to much attention to other preventive measures such as social distancing and masks ... of course the virus is going to surge if its allowed to...

vaccines are generally never about stopping the virus..... they're about limiting the effects of the virus.
I think the learned Doctor would know just a little more about the topic
than you... :rofl
To discover those who rule over you, first discover those who you cannot criticize...Voltaire
Its coming...the rest of the world versus islam....or is it here already...

Aussie

Re: Clusterfuck

Post by Aussie » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:20 pm

billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:18 pm
J o h n S m i t h wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:05 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:40 pm
The good doctor is questioning the covid surge in jabbed countries..
Why? Stands to reason that once the population has been vaccinated they wouldn't pay to much attention to other preventive measures such as social distancing and masks ... of course the virus is going to surge if its allowed to...

vaccines are generally never about stopping the virus..... they're about limiting the effects of the virus.
I think the learned Doctor would know just a little more about the topic
than you... :rofl
Oh.....so you reckon the vaccine will give you protection from actually getting the nasty?

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Re: Clusterfuck

Post by billy the kid » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:21 pm

Aussie wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:20 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:18 pm
J o h n S m i t h wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:05 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:40 pm
The good doctor is questioning the covid surge in jabbed countries..
Why? Stands to reason that once the population has been vaccinated they wouldn't pay to much attention to other preventive measures such as social distancing and masks ... of course the virus is going to surge if its allowed to...

vaccines are generally never about stopping the virus..... they're about limiting the effects of the virus.
I think the learned Doctor would know just a little more about the topic
than you... :rofl
Oh.....so you reckon the vaccine will give you protection from actually getting the nasty?
Ive never said that...
To discover those who rule over you, first discover those who you cannot criticize...Voltaire
Its coming...the rest of the world versus islam....or is it here already...

Aussie

Re: Clusterfuck

Post by Aussie » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:35 pm

billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:21 pm
Aussie wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:20 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:18 pm
J o h n S m i t h wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:05 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:40 pm
The good doctor is questioning the covid surge in jabbed countries..
Why? Stands to reason that once the population has been vaccinated they wouldn't pay to much attention to other preventive measures such as social distancing and masks ... of course the virus is going to surge if its allowed to...

vaccines are generally never about stopping the virus..... they're about limiting the effects of the virus.
I think the learned Doctor would know just a little more about the topic
than you... :rofl
Oh.....so you reckon the vaccine will give you protection from actually getting the nasty?
Ive never said that...
So....what is your point? You seem to be saying you accept that we will have to live with Covid, as I do, so.......Should people NOT get jabbed to minimise the inevitable impact of Covid?

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Re: Clusterfuck

Post by billy the kid » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:40 pm

Aussie wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:35 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:21 pm
Aussie wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:20 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:18 pm
J o h n S m i t h wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:05 pm


Why? Stands to reason that once the population has been vaccinated they wouldn't pay to much attention to other preventive measures such as social distancing and masks ... of course the virus is going to surge if its allowed to...

vaccines are generally never about stopping the virus..... they're about limiting the effects of the virus.
I think the learned Doctor would know just a little more about the topic
than you... :rofl
Oh.....so you reckon the vaccine will give you protection from actually getting the nasty?
Ive never said that...
So....what is your point? You seem to be saying you accept that we will have to live with Covid, as I do, so.......Should people NOT get jabbed to minimise the inevitable impact of Covid?
Well that sounds like a veiled admission from you that your first question was
a tad off beam...but anyway...my point is this...and always has been...
If you want the jab get it...
If you dont want the jab...dont get it...
To discover those who rule over you, first discover those who you cannot criticize...Voltaire
Its coming...the rest of the world versus islam....or is it here already...

Aussie

Re: Clusterfuck

Post by Aussie » Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:20 pm

billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:40 pm
Aussie wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:35 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:21 pm
Aussie wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:20 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:18 pm

I think the learned Doctor would know just a little more about the topic
than you... :rofl
Oh.....so you reckon the vaccine will give you protection from actually getting the nasty?
Ive never said that...
So....what is your point? You seem to be saying you accept that we will have to live with Covid, as I do, so.......Should people NOT get jabbed to minimise the inevitable impact of Covid?
Well that sounds like a veiled admission from you that your first question was
a tad off beam...but anyway...my point is this...and always has been...
If you want the jab get it...
If you dont want the jab...dont get it...
And what you did not say is.....on what basis would you decide to get it or not get it? Seems to me you and I have a choice...as we are gonna get the nasty...inevitable. Would you prefer to minimise the outcomes of getting it, or not? The choice is between just about having SFA impact and being in hospital on a ventilator, or perhaps death.

What say ye?

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Re: Clusterfuck

Post by billy the kid » Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:29 pm

Aussie wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:20 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:40 pm
Aussie wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:35 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:21 pm
Aussie wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:20 pm


Oh.....so you reckon the vaccine will give you protection from actually getting the nasty?
Ive never said that...
So....what is your point? You seem to be saying you accept that we will have to live with Covid, as I do, so.......Should people NOT get jabbed to minimise the inevitable impact of Covid?
Well that sounds like a veiled admission from you that your first question was
a tad off beam...but anyway...my point is this...and always has been...
If you want the jab get it...
If you dont want the jab...dont get it...
And what you did not say is.....on what basis would you decide to get it or not get it? Seems to me you and I have a choice...as we are gonna get the nasty...inevitable. Would you prefer to minimise the outcomes of getting it, or not? The choice is between just about having SFA impact and being in hospital on a ventilator, or perhaps death.

What say ye?
I think it all depends on the individual....
For example I have a brother in law who last year had double bypass
surgery...he also has kidney and lung problems...he is 84....
I dont know what his medical advice is as I dont see him that often...
His wife (my sister..) is not well but refuses to get the jab....)
I have two grand sons who are 26 and 23....they are refusing
to get the jab, but my daughter in law is getting
the jab...
I think it all depends on your belief systems...
Personally, I wont be getting the jab....for the moment...
To discover those who rule over you, first discover those who you cannot criticize...Voltaire
Its coming...the rest of the world versus islam....or is it here already...

Aussie

Re: Clusterfuck

Post by Aussie » Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:32 pm

"For the moment." What will push to to a decision one way or the other?

I have been sitting on the fence, no jab. But, I have made my decision. I'll get the AZ this week. No downside of any real consequence.

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