ETS and retarded views

[IQSRLOW]

Do I get my prize now?

A cookie at least?

[freediver]

Let me get this straight. You don't reject pricing mechanisms, but you do reject the economic consensus on them?

The large emitters have already adopted trading schemes. I just wasn't prepared to track down which ones for you. Whatever internal mechanisms other nations choose to reduce their emissions is no reason for us to use inferior mechanisms.

Kyoto itself is an ETS, which almost all industrialised countries (except the US) have ratified.

[IQSRLOW]

Let me get this straight. You don't reject pricing mechanisms, but you do reject the economic consensus on them?

The "No" answer was purely just to reject your already answered question- I have already explained to you that I don't reject the pricing mechanisms. I reject adopting them unilaterally.

I know you have the habit of asking the same question a few different ways until you get the answer you desire but please...

The large emitters have already adopted trading schemes.

Who are the the three largest emitters on the planet today- by country, not per capita that have adopted ETS?

I just wasn't prepared to track down which ones for you.

Because you know they haven't

Whatever internal mechanisms other nations choose to reduce their emissions is no reason for us to use inferior mechanisms.

There's no reason to choose more economically expensive mechanisms- they won't have an impact on the environment anyway

[freediver]

Because you know they haven't

What makes you think that?

[IQSRLOW]

What makes you think that?

Because you haven't bothered to answer the question to which I already know the answer

Do I get the prize for answering 20 questions of do you get the prize for answering questions with a question?

[freediver]

So what is the answer?

Simply accusing someone of lying because they won't tell you what you want to hear is a pretty childish approach. I wasn't lying. Nor was I being 'loose' with my language, like you saying an ETS is the worst possible option, when you really meant it was the best option except for doing nothing.

By 'going it alone' you seem to be referring to an ETS, not reducing emissions. So does this mean you are opposed to going it alone in choosing the smartest solution and think we should follow the lead of other countries in selecting inferior options?

[IQSRLOW]

So what is the answer?

I'm not prepared to track them down for you

Simply accusing someone of lying because they won't tell you what you want to hear is a pretty childish approach.

Accuse you of lying? You either can't or purposely ignore a lot of questions, but I have never accused you of lying. Maybe if you improved your obfuscation a little more then it wouldn't be so obvious?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logic ... l#strawman

By 'going it alone' you seem to be referring to an ETS, not reducing emissions. So does this mean you are opposed to going it alone in choosing the smartest solution and think we should follow the lead of other countries in selecting inferior options?

Which countries have chosen what options?
What constitutes a superior option when your economist consensus equals ETS rather than a carbon tax shift- are they wrong or right?

[freediver]

I'm not prepared to track them down for you

You said you already know the answer. So what is it? I'm just asking you for the answer you claim to already know.

Accuse you of lying? You either can't or purposely ignore a lot of questions, but I have never accused you of lying.

Well, I said I have no idea which countries have an ETS. You claimed that rather than not being prepared to track them down for you, I already knew the answer. Perhaps this is just you being 'loose' with your language again.

What constitutes a superior option when your economist consensus equals ETS rather than a carbon tax shift- are they wrong or right?

The economic consensus is in favour of pricing mechanisms. That includes both an ETS and a carbon tax.

Which countries have chosen what options?

Well, plenty have built large wind farms for example.

By 'going it alone' you seem to be referring to an ETS, not reducing emissions. So does this mean you are opposed to going it alone in choosing the smartest solution and think we should follow the lead of other countries in selecting inferior options?

[IQSRLOW]

You said you already know the answer. So what is it? I'm just asking you for the answer you claim to already know.

I do know the answer. I am waiting for you to list them after you stated this-

The large emitters have already adopted trading schemes.

...or did you just make up that statement?

So does this mean you are opposed to going it alone in choosing the smartest solution and think we should follow the lead of other countries in selecting inferior options?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logic ... 0dichotomy

[freediver]

OK then, here's one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_U ... ing_Scheme

So explain again why you think we are going it alone?