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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by Super Nova » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:09 pm

mellie wrote:
The scientific community concludes that what is currently on the table is of low risk
Got a reference to support this consensus?

8-)

Naturally, our industry-funded scientists approve of GMO's.

But that's about it.

OK. I found a lot of sites arguing your position but all of them were anti GM. That is... were not independant scientific organisation or organisations that have formed a scientific view.

So here are some sites that support the concensus.


(2008)
Concerns are sometimes expressed that the presence of recombinant DNA in GM foods may pose health risks to people consuming the food. This has been an active area of research for nearly twenty years and the overwhelming scientific consensus from those studies is that the presence of recombinant DNA in food does not pose any human health or safety concerns.

Site: http://www.foodstandards.gov.au/consume ... es5692.cfm

Heres an article from ther OECD that echos your view. Offered for balance. It is about providing more confidence rather than being a real big risk.

More publicly funded research would provide greater confidence and allow projects for which no financial return can be expected, in developed and developing countries.
http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/archiv ... ciety.html

No evidence to prove GM foods are unsafe, says BMA

In a move set to fuel the already heated GM debate swirling around Britain, the country's medical body said this week it sees no 'current evidence of potential harm from GM food'.


Link: http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science-Nu ... e-says-BMA

This one is not independant but makes reference to the point.

Most regulatory organizations and scientists agree that the GM foods and ingredients on the market now are safe. This includes the World Health Organization, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations and the U.S. National Academy of Science.
Link: http://www.mondelezinternational.com/De ... otech.aspx

And then I have to eat my words when I discover this article from a couple of months ago.

October 30, 2012:The newly appointed Science and Technology Minister, S Jaipal Reddy said India would wait for the conclusion of the global debate on genetically modified (GM) food crops before taking a final view about its commercial cultivation. Reddy was shifted out from the Petroleum and Natural Gas Ministry and was made the new Science and Technology Minister in a major Cabinet reshuffle.


There is an ongoing debate over GM crops at the global level where both scientists and experts are involved. Reddy said, “Scientific consensus has not finally emerged. Debate is on at a global level. Science is not clear yet”.


October 30, 2012:The newly appointed Science and Technology Minister, S Jaipal Reddy said India would wait for the conclusion of the global debate on genetically modified (GM) food crops before taking a final view about its commercial cultivation. Reddy was shifted out from the Petroleum and Natural Gas Ministry and was made the new Science and Technology Minister in a major Cabinet reshuffle.


There is an ongoing debate over GM crops at the global level where both scientists and experts are involved. Reddy said, “Scientific consensus has not finally emerged. Debate is on at a global level. Science is not clear yet”.


His remarks come in the wake of a statement earlier this month by the Scientific Advisory Committee to the Prime Minister, headed by eminent scientist C N Rao, favouring introduction of GM crops. The science panel had argued that technology had potential to transform Indian agriculture.

Link: http://www.krishibhoomi.in/detailnews.a ... ps&SID=100

Fuck it. Don't you hate that. There appears not to be a concensus. I stand corrected.
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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by Super Nova » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:32 pm

Just to add that Wiki thinks there is a conscensus. So I still think there is a conscesnus. I guess it will all become clear soon. Logically everything I read indicates... food is food.

There is broad scientific consensus that food on the market derived from GM crops pose no greater risk than conventional food.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] No reports of ill effects have been documented in the human population from GM food.[4][8][9] Supporters of food derived from GMOs hold that food is as safe as other foods and that labels send a message to consumers that GM food is somehow dangerous. They trust that regulators and the regulatory process are sufficiently objective and rigorous, and that risks of contamination of the non-GM food supply and of the environment can be managed. They trust that there is sufficient law and regulation to maintain competition in the market for seeds, believe that GM technology is key to feeding a growing world population, and view GM technology as a continuation of the manipulation of plants that humans have conducted for millennia.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneticall ... troversies

It rpovides a good summary of the issues. Both sides.
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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by mellie » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:01 am

Sorry SN, but you have failed to provide the supporting articles requested to substantiate your 'scientific consensus' argument.

8-)

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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by Super Nova » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:53 am

mellie wrote:Sorry SN, but you have failed to provide the supporting articles requested to substantiate your 'scientific consensus' argument.

8-)
True, except the Wiki statement. I shall look again when I have a moment.
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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by Mattus » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:33 am

Rorschach wrote: Pretty dumb defence since there is no concensus and alarmists ignore "the science" which doesn't support them.
There is consensus amongst climate scientists.
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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by Rorschach » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:17 am

Well then it exists on both sides of the argument then doesn't it. :lol:
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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:13 am

Turns out GM isn't so good for the American economy: some mysterious GM wheat was found in a field in the Pacific NW of the USA and countries like Japan and South Korea have stopped importing some varieties of American wheat. This could be a turning point ...

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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

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AiA in Atlanta wrote:Turns out GM isn't so good for the American economy: some mysterious GM wheat was found in a field in the Pacific NW of the USA and countries like Japan and South Korea have stopped importing some varieties of American wheat. This could be a turning point ...
I don't see the problem with GM wheat for human consumption.

The economic impact will be refusal to buy from the US however we need GM to feed the world. It is not harmful for consumption and the scare mongers are afraid that native varieties will be contaminated. Yes they will. However bred wheat has been contaminating the native varieties since day one when we moved from hunter gather to farmer.

The fear is an evil scientist will engineer food that will kill/harm us.

They should be more worried the evil scientist and engineers that will design self replicating nano-bots or artificially engineered life forms that are going to turn the world to blue ooze.
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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:29 am

It wasn't supposed to be in the field ... it wasn't supposed to be anywhere.

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Re: Science; it can even redeem an environmental extremist

Post by Super Nova » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:40 pm

AiA in Atlanta wrote:It wasn't supposed to be in the field ... it wasn't supposed to be anywhere.
Well it looks like someone has been growing it still. An unapproved strain was discontinued in 2005. Or it had escaped into the food chain then and has only just been discovered. Odd as seeds are provided by seed specialists.
The discovery of the long-forgotten strain prompted major buyer Japan to shun wheat from the Pacific Northwest at its weekly tender on Thursday, while the European Union said it would step up testing.
Pity Australia is not benefiting.
Asia imports more than 40 million tonnes of wheat annually, almost a third of the global trade of 140-150 million tonnes. The bulk of the region's supplies come from the U.S., the world's biggest exporter, and Australia, the No. 2 supplier.

But Australia will struggle to soak up extra demand as its supplies tighten in the wake of unsustainably brisk exports and growing demand from domestic livestock farmers.

What ever happened to grass feed livestock.
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