The truth of the Uluru statement

[Valkie]

Appears the myths are alive and well. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Valkie. Is there anybody who you don't hate, apart from White, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic/Nordic descended Colonists? Anybody who is dark of skin, doesn't worship Christ and would prefer to be left alone by the aforementioned? Tut, tut. always making excuses for Racism it seems.

You still have not answered my simple question.

Where do you think our native brethren would be TODAY, if the whites had not come first?

Do you honestly believe that they would still be living their "idealistic" lifestyle of starvation, short lifespans , tribal wars, poor health and disease?

Honestly?
Where do you think they would be?

Ok
They did it tough for 100 years, better than the race before them though.
But they now have opportunity to advance themselves
They are given more than any white, and they waste it.

You and your ilk love to bandy around the racist tag as if it was a weapon.
Well it isn't, I would bet I'm far less racist than you.
I don't judge a person by their colour or race
I judge them by what they, as a group do.

By and large, most abbos do not work, dispute this?

I have been all over this world, seen and met many many people of different races.
I have friends in most countries.
You want to see racism and intolerance?
Travel to the US
Travel to Muslim countries
Travel to Africa, I dare you.

I'm sickened by people like you who wear the YOU ARE RACIST badge like a badge of honour, Australia is far more tolerant than many other countries.

But, like most people, I dislike parasites
People who think the world owes them a living, owes them for past or perceived wrongs.
Should we continue to punish all Germans for what they did to the Jews?
Should we continue to punish all Jews for what they did to Christ?
Should we continue to hate and punish the Japanese for what they did?
Let us travel further
Should we hunt down Normans?
Perhaps we should look for Romans
Perhaps even the decendants of Gengis Khan?

The abbos need to let go
They need to realise that the path they are on is a path to nothing, to nowhere.
If they want to be something, to make something of themselves, they need to start contributing.
Otherwise they will always be nothing more than a dying race of primitive parasites.

[Valkie]

Appears the myths are alive and well. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Valkie. Is there anybody who you don't hate, apart from White, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic/Nordic descended Colonists? Anybody who is dark of skin, doesn't worship Christ and would prefer to be left alone by the aforementioned? Tut, tut. always making excuses for Racism it seems.

You still have not answered my simple question.

Where do you think our native brethren would be TODAY, if the whites had not come first?

Do you honestly believe that they would still be living their "idealistic" lifestyle of starvation, short lifespans , tribal wars, poor health and disease?

Honestly?
Where do you think they would be?

Ok
They did it tough for 100 years, better than the race before them though.
But they now have opportunity to advance themselves
They are given more than any white, and they waste it.

You and your ilk love to bandy around the racist tag as if it was a weapon.
Well it isn't, I would bet I'm far less racist than you.
I don't judge a person by their colour or race
I judge them by what they, as a group do.

By and large, most abbos do not work, dispute this?

I have been all over this world, seen and met many many people of different races.
I have friends in most countries.
You want to see racism and intolerance?
Travel to the US
Travel to Muslim countries
Travel to Africa, I dare you.

I'm sickened by people like you who wear the YOU ARE RACIST badge like a badge of honour, Australia is far more tolerant than many other countries.

But, like most people, I dislike parasites
People who think the world owes them a living, owes them for past or perceived wrongs.
Should we continue to punish all Germans for what they did to the Jews?
Should we continue to punish all Jews for what they did to Christ?
Should we continue to hate and punish the Japanese for what they did?
Let us travel further
Should we hunt down Normans?
Perhaps we should look for Romans
Perhaps even the decendants of Gengis Khan?

The abbos need to let go
They need to realise that the path they are on is a path to nothing, to nowhere.
If they want to be something, to make something of themselves, they need to start contributing.
Otherwise they will always be nothing more than a dying race of primitive parasites.

[brian ross]

Appears the myths are alive and well. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Valkie. Is there anybody who you don't hate, apart from White, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic/Nordic descended Colonists? Anybody who is dark of skin, doesn't worship Christ and would prefer to be left alone by the aforementioned? Tut, tut. always making excuses for Racism it seems.

You still have not answered my simple question.

Where do you think our native brethren would be TODAY, if the whites had not come first?es.

If the whites had not arrived? They would be still owning their own land, celebrating their own culture, having families that haven't had children stolen from them, living their own lives as they wish. All the things that white colonists stole from them, all the things that were destroyed or stolen.

Valkie, you talk racist bullshit. When you learn that, you might have a chance of embracing your fellow Australians without worrying about what colour their skin is, what shape their eyes are, what culture they celebrate, what religion they worship. Tut, tut.

[Rorschach]

Oh dear... bwian talking about the truth?

You mean your opinion and distorted reality bwian.

Aborigines did not own land bwian, they belong land....
No children were ever stolen bwian...

YOU as a TROLL have created a strawman bwian, you have shown nowhere where Valkie ever made a racist or xenophobic comment... only you have done that in your usual libelous way bwian...

[Valkie]

If the whites had not arrived? They would be still owning their own land, celebrating their own culture, having families that haven't had children stolen from them, living their own lives as they wish. All the things that white colonists stole from them, all the things that were destroyed or stolen.

Valkie, you talk racist bullshit. When you learn that, you might have a chance of embracing your fellow Australians without worrying about what colour their skin is, what shape their eyes are, what culture they celebrate, what religion they worship. Tut, tut.

You know that is total bullshite.
By now, any one of a hundred other cultures would have "invaded" Australia.
By now, by the hands of many of those cultures, the abbos would be either dead or living in utter squalor.

They would not be supported and given anywhere near as much as they have today.

No bwyannnnnn
The abbos would not be living as they were
They would be either dead or far far worse off

Perhaps THEY should be thanking us
Not continually attempting to shame us for trying to civilized them.

They can either embrace advancement
As every single race in the past has done
Or they can slowly die off as a culture and become nothing more than a curiosity.

Very few abbos can live off the land today
The gotchas begun
They have adopted western values and unfortunately western traits.
In time they will be indistinguishable from us, as the bits are from the Romans and Vikings.
Then, will they still be screaming about stolen land?
Of course they will.
It will be
"My great great great great grandfather was part abbo, I want our land back"
Just how stupid does that sound?

Wake up and smell the roses bwyannnnnn
They can advance
Or
They can become nothing more than a curiosity.

Here is another question for you.
Not that you answered the last.

What do you think we should do?
What would be, in your eyes, fair compensation for the perceived wrongs?

Well bwyannnnnn
What?

[Black Orchid]

Appears the myths are alive and well. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Valkie. Is there anybody who you don't hate, apart from White, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic/Nordic descended Colonists? Anybody who is dark of skin, doesn't worship Christ and would prefer to be left alone by the aforementioned? Tut, tut. always making excuses for Racism it seems.

You still have not answered my simple question.

Where do you think our native brethren would be TODAY, if the whites had not come first?es.

If the whites had not arrived? They would be still owning their own land, celebrating their own culture, having families that haven't had children stolen from them, living their own lives as they wish. All the things that white colonists stole from them, all the things that were destroyed or stolen.

Valkie, you talk racist bullshit. When you learn that, you might have a chance of embracing your fellow Australians without worrying about what colour their skin is, what shape their eyes are, what culture they celebrate, what religion they worship. Tut, tut.

That is the biggest load of delusional idiocy that I have ever read. You do them no favours!

Leo Maglen asks: what do the activists think would have happened to Aboriginal Australia if the British had NOT colonised the continent. Be grateful, because there is no way a land occupied by tribes with no technology and an essentially Stone Age culture would have been left to them.

It is, of course an article of faith amongst Aboriginal activists and the grievance industry generally to see ... the running up of the Union Jack by Phillip on that day as the beginning of the end, the start of an invasion, one that would lead to the subjugation of the first inhabitants and the destruction of their culture and way of life.

What this view overlooks, of course, is that such an ‘invasion’, or even a succession of them, was inevitable. On no other continent have the original inhabitants been successful in holding on to their lands and traditional ways of life. Through waves of invasion, conquest, migration, settlement, by people ever more technologically and organisationally advanced, similarly nomadic hunter-gatherers either adapted, or were forced into ever more remote, inaccessible and inhospitable terrain, as in Asia, Africa and the Americas, or driven to extinction, as in Europe and the Middle-East...

So it if hadn’t been the British, it would have been someone else, or a bunch of others, contesting the terrain, carving it up, claiming it as their own...

No-one else in the region, the Papuans, the Javanese, the Japanese or the Chinese, for example, felt so inclined or had the logistics to invade the place. Otherwise, presumably, they would have done so ages before...

By the modern era, therefore, it was most likely that it would be a European maritime power that would do it and, of those, there were only four other real contenders – the Portuguese, the Spanish, the Dutch and the French...

The Spanish and the Portuguese had a record for being less enlightened and more despotic colonisers than the British ever were, and their legacy in the lands they did conquer has not been as stable, democratic or economically as successful...

Had [the Dutch] done so, then perhaps Australian settlement would have been much more like that of the Afrikaaners in South Africa, where they did put down roots, with all that would have entailed, particularly for the original inhabitants...

The French, of course, have had a different attitude to de-colonization to that of the British. They, the French, have been most reluctant to give up any of their colonies, and in those in which the locals have not been able to force them out, they remain to this day, as they do in nearby New Caledonia and French Polynesia....

The other possibility, already mentioned, is that the continent of Australia could easily have been not a single nation, but one divided into competing European colonies, with all the likelihood of frontier disputes and inter-colonial wars.... Not having to share a land border with another nation has bestowed upon us huge benefits, especially in the areas of defence, quarantine, customs, immigration and in terrorism prevention. Australia is its own customs union, free-trade area and common currency block. It has only one official language and a unified legal system...

So, all in all, the country could have done worse than have Arthur Phillip plant the Union Jack on its soil 226 years ago. Although they didn’t appreciate it at the time, Phillip probably gave the first inhabitants as good a chance of surviving in, and adapting to, the global world as any ‘invader’ could have given them, and the waves of immigrants that subsequently came, and are still coming, to these shores, a much freer, safer, fairer, equitable, open, tolerant and prosperous place in which to start a new life than might otherwise have been the case.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andr ... 9a9d97a6cd

Like or hate Bolt it is the truth. If it wasn't the Brits who colonised Australia there is a much higher than average chance that there would be NO Aborigines left now. NONE!! Wake up!!

[brian ross]

I'm sure the Indians have a very different view, as do the Pakistanis, the Bangladeshis, the Burmese, the Malaysians and the various African tribes about how "benign" British colonial rule was, BO. Perhaps the Bolter needs to read some history, some real history, written from the perspective of the subjugated peoples, rather than the invaders'. I am sure the millions who died in 1943-44 from the "benign" famine the British introduced in Bengal were rather upset by starving to death. I am sure that the hundreds of thousands who died because of the British "benign" treatment of the Africans after the numerous Ashanti wars, the Zulu wars, the Bantu wars, were glad they died because of the way they were treated by the British and their colonists, BO. The Bolter presents a romantic view of British colonialism. Typical of a white supremacist viewpoint. Tut, tut.

[Black Orchid]

If the whites had not arrived? They would be still owning their own land, celebrating their own culture, having families that haven't had children stolen from them, living their own lives as they wish. All the things that white colonists stole from them, all the things that were destroyed or stolen.

As usual you completely avoid the point and the reality. If you really believe they would still be happily enjoying their own primitive ways without any external 'interference' you are totally disengaged from reality. Chances are they wouldn't even exist anymore. Period!

[brian ross]

If the whites had not arrived? They would be still owning their own land, celebrating their own culture, having families that haven't had children stolen from them, living their own lives as they wish. All the things that white colonists stole from them, all the things that were destroyed or stolen.

As usual you completely avoid the point and the reality. If you really believe they would still be happily enjoying their own primitive ways without any external 'interference' you are totally disengaged from reality. Chances are they wouldn't even exist anymore. Period!

The only case of effective Genocide the world has seen in modern times was committed by the British colonists of Tasmania - they wiped out the full-blood Tasmanian Indigenous people. BO, you and I suspect the Bolter might to overlook that reality but the descendents of the Tasmanian Indigenous peoples might prefer that you and he don't.

All the scare-mongering about how the other colonial nationalities treated the native populations of the colonies they establish rather pale in comparison with how the British acted - when it suited them - towards their own colonial populations. British Imperialism was as bad, if not worse than most European Imperialism throughout most of it's history. Tut, tut. Deny it all you like but there are numerous examples from around the world and in Australia of what the British colonists got up to.

[Black Orchid]

Still missing, completely avoiding, the point. There there Brian. Pats you on the head.