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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:51 pm

Super Nova wrote:Change of approach.

Since the last Ice Age ended, humanity has come along in leaps on a planet where the weather has permitted most of the planet to be habitable and can sustain a large human population. The current climate is obviously perfect for us and we have now established populations, farming and a symbiotic relationship with the land and the current environment climate.

Do you think it would be in our economic or social interest for this environment, that has been relatively stable and has allowed us to thrive, to be allowed to change due to our own activity?
:rofl :rofl :rofl Searching for answer to a question no one asked and giving a solution that no one wants to a problem that doesn't exist.

Your blind faith is casting a shadow over your ignorance and stupidity.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:15 am

IQS.RLOW wrote: :rofl :rofl :rofl Searching for answer to a question no one asked and giving a solution that no one wants to a problem that doesn't exist.

Your blind faith is casting a shadow over your ignorance and stupidity.
It does exist and here is one scientist demonstrating this a different way instead of referring to models he is modelling statistics.

Heatwaves are proof of global warming, says Nasa scientist

Sunday 05 August 2012

The relentless, weather-gone-crazy heat that has blistered the United States and other parts of the world in recent years is so rare it cannot be anything but man-made global warming, a top Nasa scientist says.

The research, by a man often called the "godfather of global warming" says the likelihood of such temperatures occurring from the 1950s through the 1980s was rarer than one in 300. Now the odds are closer to 1 in 10, according to the study by Professor James Hansen.

He says that statistically what is happening is not random or normal, but simply climate change.

"This is not some scientific theory. We are now experiencing scientific fact," Prof Hansen said.

Prof Hansen is a scientist at Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York and a professor at Columbia University. But he is also a strident activist seeking government action to curb greenhouse gases.

But his study, published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, is unlikely to sway opinion among the remaining climate change sceptics, although several scientists have praised the new work.

In a blunt departure from most climate research, Prof Hansen's study - based on statistics, not the more typical climate modelling - blames these three heatwaves purely on global warming:

:: Last year's devastating Texas-Oklahoma drought;

:: The 2010 heatwaves in Russia and the Middle East, which led to thousands of deaths;

:: The 2003 European heat wave blamed for tens of thousands of deaths, especially among the elderly in France.

The analysis was written before the current drought and record-breaking temperatures that have seared much of the United States this year. But Prof Hansen believes this too is another prime example of global warming at its worst.

The new research makes the case for the severity of global warming in a different way than most scientific studies and uses simple maths instead of relying on complex climate models or an understanding of atmospheric physics.

It also does not bother with the usual caveats about individual weather events having numerous causes.

"This is happening often enough, over a big enough area that people can see it happening," Prof Hansen said.

Scientists have generally responded that it is impossible to say whether single events are caused by global warming because of the influence of natural weather variability.

But that position has been shifting in recent months, as other studies too have concluded climate change is happening right before our eyes.

Prof Hansen hopes his new study will shift people's thinking about climate change and goad governments into action. He wrote an opinion piece that appeared online in the Washington Post on Friday. saying: "There is still time to act and avoid a worsening climate, but we are wasting precious time."

The science in Prof Hansen's study is excellent "and reframes the question", said Prof Andrew Weaver, a climate scientist at the University of Victoria in British Columbia, Canada, who was a member of the Nobel Prize-winning international panel of climate scientists that issued a series of reports on global warming.

"Rather than say, 'Is this because of climate change?' That's the wrong question. What you can say is, 'How likely is this to have occurred with the absence of global warming?' It's so extraordinarily unlikely that it has to be due to global warming," Prof Weaver said.

For years scientists have run complex computer models using combinations of various factors to see how likely a weather event would happen without global warming and with it.

About 25 different aspects of climate change have been formally attributed to man-made greenhouse gases in dozens of formal studies. But these are generally broad and non-specific, such as more heatwaves in some regions and heavy rainfall in others.

Another upcoming study by Kevin Trenberth, climate analysis chief at the National Centre for Atmospheric Research, links the 2010 Russian heatwave to global warming by looking at the underlying weather that caused it. He called Prof Hansen's paper an important one that helped communicate the problem.

But previous studies had been unable to link the two, and one by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration concluded that the Russian drought, which also led to devastating wildfires, was not related to global warming.

White House science adviser John Holdren praised the paper's findings but also said it was true that scientists cannot blame single events on global warming.

"This work, which finds that extremely hot summers are over 10 times more common than they used to be, reinforces many other lines of evidence showing that climate change is occurring and that it is harmful," he said.

Prof Hansen says he hopes his study will spur action including a tax on the burning of fossil fuels, which emit carbon dioxide, a key greenhouse gas, but others doubt it.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:22 am

It does exist
Well call Al Gore and tell him you are able to do what no other scientist has been able to do and prove its man made. You can even call you trip to tell this to Gore your very own crusade, just like any other religious nutbag.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Rorschach » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:48 pm

Puhlease SN, if you are quoting that idiot Hansen, who has been proven to be one... you have no credibility.

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/02/get-he ... asy-steps/

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/01/eight- ... te-change/
As climate scientists keep telling us (except when they have a heatwave to milk), ”weather is not climate”.
Even if this is the hottest heatwave “ever recorded”, it doesn’t mean much in the long term scheme of things. Natural climate cycles work on scales of 11 years, 60 years, 200 years, 1500 years, and 100,000 years. We have decent temperature records for many locations for only 50 years.
We have a scratchy patchy thermometer record for 150 years. Any scientist raving about breaking a 50 year record as if it means something is … embarrassing. There is too much noise in this system and too little data.
If a few weeks of extreme heat suggest CO2 is causing a catastrophe, then don’t a few weeks of Siberian record breaking cold suggest the opposite?
50C temperatures have occurred all over Australia before, and without any influence by CO2.
Correlation is weak evidence, and this correlation is so weak, it’s nearly non-existent.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Rorschach » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:07 am

Now that was an interesting Map right SN?
Now having read the following... I would like to state for the record, it is a fairly accurate summary of my thoughts on the Climate Change/Global Warming hysteria. I have highlighted the facts I feel are relevant.
Link between climate and CO2 is far from clear
by Patrick Moore
News Weekly, October 25, 2014

The emergence of climate change as a pivotal global issue has brought with it an array of assumptions and predictions, many of which evoke fear and guilt.

In my opinion, there is no conclusive proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years. If there were such a proof, it would be written down for all to see. No actual proof, as it is understood in science, exists.

The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) states: “It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.”

“Extremely likely” is not a scientific term but rather a judgment. The IPCC defines “extremely likely” as a “95-100 per cent probability”. But upon further examination it is clear that these numbers are not the result of any mathematical calculation or statistical analysis.

These judgments are based almost entirely on the results of sophisticated computer models designed to predict the future of global climate. A computer model is not a crystal ball.

Perhaps the simplest way to expose the fallacy of “extreme certainty” is to look at the historical record. When modern life evolved over 500 million years ago, CO2 was more than 10 times higher than today, yet life flourished at that time.

Then an ice age occurred 450 million years ago when CO2 was still about 10 times higher than today. There is some correlation, but little evidence, to support a direct causal relationship between CO2 and global temperature through the millenniums. The fact that there were both higher temperatures and an ice age at times when CO2 levels were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the primary cause of climate change.

Today’s average global temperature is 14.5ºC. This compares with a low of about 12ºC during the periods of maximum glaciation in this ice age, to an average of 22ºC during the greenhouse ages, one of which occurred prior to the most recent ice age.

During the greenhouse ages, there was no ice on either pole, and all the land was tropical and sub-tropical. As recently as three million years ago the Canadian Arctic islands were forested.

Today, we live in an unusually cold period and there is no reason to believe that a warmer climate would be detrimental for humans and the majority of other species. There is reason to believe that a sharp cooling of the climate would be disastrous for human civilisation.

The IPCC states that humans have been the dominant cause of warming “since the mid-20th century”. From 1910 to 1940 there was an increase in global average temperature of 0.5ºC. There was then a 30-year “pause” until 1970, followed by an increase of 0.57ºC during the 30-year period from 1970 to 2000. Since then there has been no increase in average global temperature. This, in itself, tends to negate the validity of the computer models, as CO2 emissions have continued to accelerate during this time.

The increase in temperature between 1910 and 1940 was virtually identical to the increase between 1970 and 2000. Yet the IPCC does not attribute the increase from 1910-1940 to “human influence”. They are clear in their belief that human emissions impact only the increase “since the mid-20th century”.

It is important to recognise, in the face of dire predictions about a two-degree C rise in global average temperature, that humans are a tropical species. We evolved at the equator in a climate where freezing weather did not exist.

The only reasons we can survive these cold climates are fire, clothing and housing. It could be said that frost and ice are the enemies of life, except for those relatively few species that have evolved to adapt to freezing temperatures.

It is “extremely likely” that a warmer temperature than today’s would be far better than a cooler one.

If we wish to preserve natural biodiversity, wildlife and human well-being, we should simultaneously plan for both warming and cooling, recognising that cooling would be the more damaging of the two trends.

We do not know whether the present pause in temperature will remain for some time, or whether it will go up or down in the near future. What we do know with “extreme certainty” is that the climate is always changing, between pauses, and that we are not capable, with our limited knowledge, of predicting which way it will go next.

Patrick Moore, PhD (ecology), has been a leader in the international environmental field for more than 40 years. He was a co-founder of Greenpeace, and for seven years was a director of Greenpeace International. His book, Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout: The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist (2011), is available from Freedom Publishing Company books. He is the chairman of environmental studies at the Frontier Centre for Public Policy (FCPP), an independent Canadian public policy think-tank. This article is printed with the FCPP’s permission.

Dr Moore is visiting Australia on a speaking tour during October and November 2014.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Jasonofabitch » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:08 pm

What to believe?

Is the planet going through some major changes due to its crossing of the Galactic Plane where it was going 'with' the gravitational pull towards the plane and now since 2012, it is going 'against' the gravitational pull. Maybe it will be 10 to 20 years before our Solar System (the revolves on its side like Uranus does to the Solar system plane, so Uranus is the right way up with the Galaxy) really feels the effects of gravity with the Plane something of a 'Neutral Zone' (like an Eye of the Storm) and we feel the force of Galactic nature cause much stress like someone scuba-diving 'against' a strong current. From personal experience doing this - going 'with' the current is far more pleasant and less strain.

Throw in the COINCIDENTAL act of Pollution, Nuke activities, deep crustal Mining, diminished Oil (considered a 'lubricant' for plate tectonics/crustal movements), etc made by Humanity ...along with less Oxygen being produced, due to the destruction of 75% of natural producers. The 'accelerating' release of Carbon Dioxides (and Methane if conditions are 'wet/damp') from all the Permafrost regions (no longer permanently frozen) also throw a spanner in the works amongst many other situations now arising.

Personally - I think this Planet and the Human Race upon is STUFFED !!!
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:21 pm

Risk management is the order of the day.

Time to support action. (large letters highlight text as is the new standard :rofl ....

U.N. Climate Change Draft Sees Risks of Irreversible Damage

The report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, drawing on three mammoth scientific reports published since September 2013, shows the need for urgent and ambitious action
October 26, 2014

OSLO, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Climate change may have "serious, pervasive and irreversible" impacts on human society and nature, according to a draft U.N. report due for approval this week that says governments still have time to avert the worst.

Delegates from more than 100 governments and top scientists meet in Copenhagen on Oct 27-31 to edit the report, meant as the main guide for nations working on a U.N. deal to fight climate change at a summit in Paris in late 2015.

They will publish the study on Nov. 2.

European Union leaders on Friday agreed to cut emissions by 40 percent below 1990 levels by 2030, in a shift from fossil fuels towards renewable energies, and urged other major emitters led by China and the United States to follow.

"The report will be a guide for us," Peruvian Environment Minister Manuel Pulgar-Vidal, who will host a U.N. meeting of environment ministers in Lima in late 2014 to lay the groundwork for the Paris summit, told Reuters.

He said the synthesis report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), drawing on three mammoth scientific reports published since September 2013, would show the need for urgent and ambitious action in coming years.

Many governments want the 32-page draft to be more clearly and punchily written in warnings of more powerful storms, heat waves, floods and rising seas. The United States said some tables "may be impenetrable to the policymaker or public".

In a paragraph summing up the risks, the draft says that a continued rise in world greenhouse gas emissions is "increasing the likelihood of severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for people and ecosystems."

It adds that "a combination of adaptation and substantial, sustained reductions in greenhouse gas emissions can limit climate change risks."

ALL AFFECTED

Among more than 2,000 comments on the text by governments, the European Union said the IPCC should add that "all regions are affected, regardless of wealth".

The United States called for clarification of the meaning of "irreversible". Jonathan Lynn, spokesman of the IPCC, said that the meeting would take account of all comments.

Past reports have warned that warming could, for instance, trigger impacts irreversible on human time scales such as a runaway meltdown of Greenland's ice that would raise sea levels and swamp coasts from Florida to Bangladesh.

Two artists were to unveil 100 tonnes of ice on Sunday in 12 massive blocks brought from near Nuuk, Greenland, outside Copenhagen's City Hall to remind delegates of the risks.

"We can save the ice by burning less coal, conserving electricity, and driving better cars," Danish Climate Minister Morten Helveg Petersen said of the Ice Watch exhibit.

The IPCC says that it is at least 95 percent certain that human activities, led by the burning of fossil fuels, are the main cause of climate change since 1950, up from 90 percent in the previous assessment in 2007 and 66 percent in 2002.

Opinion polls indicate many people, especially in the United States, are unconvinced and suspect that natural variations in climate are to blame. That gap between public and scientific opinion is a big complication for work on the Paris accord.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:45 pm

Too bad this is an argument that you already lost
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Jasonofabitch » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:01 pm

There was a very 'real' threat of all-out Thermonuclear War between USSR/USA (including probably others)
by the 'OVER-ACHIEVERS'

So too is there a very 'real' threat of Pollutional & Resource Suicide from a lack of action by the 'UNDER-ACHIEVERS'.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:27 pm

Bullshit.
The tenuous link between CO2 and warming is now micron thin.

To perform cartwheels with the worlds base economics would be foolish in light of the current science.

Stop ignoring the science for your beliefs.
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